Wednesday, September 06, 2017

Knowing the Knowers: A Round Table on Gnosis



This is a really intense and info-rich conversation I had with two gentlemen who are a lot smarter than I will ever be, Gordon White of Rune Soup and Miguel Conner of Aeon Byte. The topic was are we living in a Gnostic Age and what exactly does that mean? Who are the Anti-Gnostic Hypergnostics? What does all this portend as we witness the rise of Artificial Intelligence and the birth of Big Brother 3.0.1?





I do want to get into Twin Peaks: The Return and all the arcane energy bursts it has spread all over the collective un/conscious (did anyone notice the "curtain call" sync?) like seed-packets and I most definitely want to dig into the comments on the previous post. So take this as a stop-gap for now and we'll get real down and dirty with it soon.

Also, very hearty thanks for the donations. I promise I will respond to all y'all this weekend.

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  1. Two of my favorite podcasters. Looking forward to listening!

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  2. About our time from a buddhist point of view, we are currently in the kaliyuga.
    It IS a time of degeneration, where the negativity - outer negativity - and especially the inner and secret negativity of our negative emotions and ignorance emerge and manifest very strongly.
    Having said that, in a positive sense this kaliyuga is an age of strong volatility which enables not only the possibility of a rapid downfall but also the possibility of quick awakening and realization. In that sense, the doors of gnosis are wide open for the genuine seekers and in that sense this age is gnostic, too.

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    1. I think most people who have an opinion tend to see this as the Kali Yuga. Let's hope we all weather the storm.

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    2. 'What, therefore, may appear as a difficulty today is in reality the premise for our victory. Precisely in the greatness and the difficulties of our task lies the possibility that only the best fighters will step forward to struggle for it. And in this selection lies the guaranty of success."

      KTV

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    3. If we are Kali Yuga-ing then humanity as a whole has barely begun digging to the bottom of the barrel to scrape it in terms of the horrors this degenerating age will make manifest.

      KTV

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  3. When ya'll say Gnosticism, do you mean post modernism? have the post modernists deconstructed western life so much that there is nothing left so it is leading to an irrational world were people are deconstructing reality itself which you see in the form of idiots pushing things like microagressions, flat earth, and the trans movement? This is what i think is happening. We are living a peak post modernism. The president is the most post modern president of all time. Trump walked out of a pynchon novel. I see the alt right as a reaction against these post modern end times. They offer people structure, tradition, something to believe in that isnt soulless consumerism. I recently read an article about how the trans movent isnt about gender, its proto transhumanism, its liberalism, its "your body is just a vessel and it can be tweaked and modified and you can be whatevr you want". AI, virtual reality, self driving cars, mega cities hooked into "the internet of everything", 3d printers, holograms, drones, advanced prosthetics, virtual currency, corrupt mega corporations that have a monopoly, smart phones, the surveillance state. I think we are just really only getting started on our cyber punk dystopia reality. The 2020's will probably be when things kick into high gear.

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    1. Hello Kim. Would it be possible for you to share the link you reference above? I'd like to read the article you're referring to re: trans movement. Thanks!

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    2. https://auticulture.wordpress.com/2017/05/31/the-rise-of-the-dream-state1/

      Here you go.

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    4. Post-Modernism is in an entirely different phenomenon than Gnosticism (which is, y'know, ancient) but at the same time, it is a subordinate epiphenomenon of the Gnostic age in which we live. I'm not entirely sure I would define these technologies as postmodern, unless you're using the term very loosely. Most of them were conceived of during the Modernist Era, even if they weren't in fact physically developed then.

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    5. I would draw a sharp distinction between the postmodern cultural movements at present and Gnosticism itself. They share certain characteristics, as mentioned in the podcast, but are irrevocably distinct in the following way. All of the Gnosticisms that I am aware of attempt to approach truth, god, or a higher, possibly ultimate reality that transcends the material experience we are having here. The essentially personal and internal nature of gnosis, makes the journey and expression of Gnosticism uncertain and varied, but it retains structure and meaning, and the concept of a real truth one can know and experience personally. This is irreconcilable with the postmodernist dissolution of meaning and truth itself, outside of power and narratives created to support that temporal and material power.

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    6. What Time Is Love? 2023A.M. Eternal.

      KTV

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  4. Great podcast work, Chris. I listened to it on the way to work this morning. I particularly liked your idea of sliding-Gnosticism in regards to how we see things depending on where we are in time relative to Gnostic ideas. Gordon always asks such meaningful questions, no matter who is on his show, but with this particular trifecta of viewpoints, this show was a gem and highly recommended for those who are current with your work and the excellent podcasts of Miguel and Gordon. It's always a treat to get you on a podcast where you can expound some points, but to have you three bouncing off one another in the same space was very instructive. Gordon has a way of making his guests really reach and as uncomfortable as that might be to get your words to come out, it's such a great way to reveal your thought processes and help us all focus on where we stand.

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    1. I immediately pictured Gordon Cole and Miguel Ferrer!

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    2. Yeah, I kind of played the idiot cousin from the provinces role with those guys, but it was gratifying. Gordon and Miguel are seasoned podcasters and I barely ever actually speak, however I think we put some interesting points across.

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  5. No doubt. I saw something the other nite on the news about how "augmented reality 2.0" is the next big consumer/marketing trend out of silicon valley & madison avenue to be rammed down our throats. Pokemon Go was just a beta-test for some applications, the idea is that once EVERYONE (& they do mean that!) has the new augmented reality apps downloaded onto their next-gen smart phones (& the glasses that are coming) & in regular use (not just games either--tons of interactive/suggestive marketing in the works), the designers thereof get a 1:1 map of human activity, movement & commerce, real-time, 24-7, spanning the entire planet. Virtual marketing turned real panopticon. I'm sure you've seen this video describing what's coming, if not check it out:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs

    Talk about a consumer trance (or a bad trip)! This seems like the logical outcome of so much MK-ULTRA (& derived/spin-off) research over the years though...& the gnostic/soul-less aspect speaks for itself.

    Incidentally, also just heard that Huxley's "Brave New World" is in the works as a series for Syfy channel. Grant Morrison is writing it, BTW:

    http://nerdist.com/brave-new-world-tv-series-syfy/

    Got them Kali Yuga blues...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5YiiZs9Smo

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    1. I think at this point we are staring down the barrel of any number of dystopian sci-fi realities. It's probably for the best that Philip K Dick didn't live to see these times because I think they would send him into the Tartarus pit of despair. "They didn't listen to me!" Well, at least it's not boring.

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    2. Hell is having a simulacra of one's consciousness spending an eternity spinning on a hard drive.

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    3. Which was the fate of the leads in the Black Mirror episode 'San Junipero', the lesbian romance wrapping over the techfetish, itself wrapped in a warm fuzzy nostalgia-fest for the e-e-e-e-eighties, so quite some reinforcement going on there. The vicarious titilation of girl-on-girl being used so very often, especially in sci-fantasy - Buffy etc, to Trojan Horse all manner of other programming into those being entertained, & to be entertained is to be 'held'.

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    4. charlie brooker, bbc employee and creator of Black Mirror (writer of the San Junipero episode), towards the start of his 2016 Wipe, made a pun about a large puddle somewhere in England that had inspired a twitter-storm in January of last year. The skit listed various tv shows that could be based on the briefly-famed wet patch including one titled 'Puddle Fix It', 'Jim'll Fix It' was jimmy savile's, brooker's former colleague, primary vehicle of self promotion, running for nineteen years, in the guise of fulfilling children's dreams, as he rampaged freely, molesting, raping and murdering children and others left to his devices.

      What price laughs eh? The cost per payer (& everyone who owns a tv has to pay it, except Folk over a certain age & the odd other exceptions) is the licence fee (the means by which the bbc is funded.)

      There's a documentary on the tubes titled 'Was Jimmy Savile A Wizard?', after watching, if you didn't already think he was engaged in some attempt at a kind of magic, you may well come to think so.

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  6. Twin Peaks The Return ending was a total ripoff of The Prisoner series ending. If Laura is the #1 as the Log Lady said, then Cooper is #6. Instead of the Rocket Ship taking off in the Prisoner, we have the house taking off. Laura and Cooper are not free, because they are both PRISONERS. I wonder if Lynch numbered all of this characters for elimination by subtraction...And Then There Were None?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X114df65hgY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JALoU4oDWAc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95DrM4tfyD0

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    1. That's a very interesting interpretation. I haven't heard that one yet. But given how many homages TPTR has served up, I'm certainly not going to argue with it.

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    2. a.k.a. Agent Smith as #6 and Neo as the #1. Red Pill, Blue Pill, etc. Neo meets Deus Ex Machina then dies and balance it returned. Perhaps thatts the final send up to Twin Peaks, balance has been restored. Pay close attention to the Last Jedi whose main theme has been/continues to be bringing balance to the force. Its the middle path of most religions, which in the end is all about Masonry. The Washington Monument sits in the Vesica Pisces. They occupy the space between Philosophy and Theology, and soon will rule this world and us if we let them.

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    3. The Prisoner, the original 1960's Patrick McGoohan series, not the excreable 00's reimagining, is chock-a-block to overflowing with mind control, brain washing, mkultra, virtual reality plot devices, hmmmnnn... plot devices... devise a plot... , and themes, it and shows of the same time like The Avengers, especially after Diana Rigg began co-starring, blow the lid off the box of tricks being mucked about with by the boffins and mad scientists in state employ, like Stranger Things though these aren't just tales for telling to those looking to be entertained after a day's schooling or grafting, they are part of the mad science program projected upon us in the hopes of bringing about specific result.

      As for Twin Peaks, think of all the hardcore never say die fans trapped after the finale's fade to scream, we may see reports soon of mass purchases of red velvet curtains.

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    4. I have two interpretations of the final scene of TP: either the Palmer house was the literal embodiment of Incest; or the Palmer house is either the physical Dutchman or just like the Dutchman. For example, if you know Dutchman lore, it is a ghost ship. Most see the convenience store as stationary, I did not, I believe it is a ship that phases in and out of our reality and inter-dimensional. The house raises the question: is there more than one Dutchman ship? Watched The Trial by Orson Welles which is the exact opposite ending of The Prisoner and TP, it may represent egocide, or some other ritual. However, when I did a search for The Trial, guess who also played the Anthony Perkins role of Mr. K in another movie? Kyle McLaughlin. From all of the films I have watched, I have reached the conclusion that most movies are rituals or a new form of liturgy devoted to the secular. It may even serve as the bridge from the traditional religions to transform into to one world religion where the Antichrist rules. If you watch the ending of Fargo S3 also this summer you will see that this show ends the same way, dueling interpretations where the truth is denied to the viewer. In my opinion, this is what this is all about, in Christianity, Christ says the truth will set you free, but these movie makers are telling us that none of us are free, and all is open to interpretation with no final truth. This is the spirit of the Anti-Christ, a denial of truth and of God. Rest assured there is a truth and movies and television have no corner on the realm of God.

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    5. One of the champions of this 'anything goes (& is all the better for it so relax it don't hurt nobody)' age of Earth would be albert einstein with his 'theory of relativity' - supposed empirical evidence upon which to build an empire of obscenity so as to canker the human spirit to ultimate corruption.

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    6. Without 'albert's' workings would there have been no nukes (& no nukes would mean no Bob?)?

      KTV

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  7. Loved it, lots of comments made sense to me. Healing one self to heal the analog world, confronting the past to move to the future, and the gnostic everchanging flow and our responsability in not getting stuck and begin to rott. I will analize the ritual aspect of our time on earth, because beliefs are odd, but they bring meaning to our life in the form of rituals... Great podcast

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    1. Thank you, Pilar. Talking with either of those guys is always ripe with neuro-nutrition. Please check out their sites and shows.

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  8. Hey man. I thought I had commented - but there's too much to say, esp re sync, Twin Peaks, Braintree prox and MK such and such... I want you to see this asap, instead of all the ways that I agree with you, and how cool it is that your mind is the one that is your mind - anyways - holy abstract compliments, Batman. Here's the puddin' ~

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO3s_HWmvXA

    Cha thinkin'? Greg over at Highersides and Ryan at Occulture are both hip to this concept of 'are we heading towards a reset? Greg speaks of that concept and both Ryan and I are aware that this is getting to a higher pitch - and even people like Sevan Bomar are talking to the nature of this as an energy harvest time - so, here's this fresh off the grittle Twyman vid - I want to see what you make of it - at this point, I'm beyond 'oh jee I wonder if he's looking for this right now' - pretty sure you're looking for this

    or will be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO3s_HWmvXA

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  9. I would be appreciative if some of you would stop being transphobic in your quest for enlightenment. Trans people are not some prop to reinforce your personal conspiratorial model of the world, we are real people with real lives. I'm on your side, and it is frankly massively disappointing to see this continual distrust of trans people even in left learning conspiratorial communities. "Gnosis" my ass.

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    1. Dysphoriac, hermaphroditic & intersex states are not opposed to or denied, they are understood as being part of the broader human condition, however, what IS needing open & unflinching investigation is the transtrenders movement that is overtly state & multinationally sponsored & promoted - going so far as to encourage, allow & facilitate children, who are not allowed to drive, smoke, drink alcohol, join the army, vote, own a gun etc. etc. etc. to be put on courses of chemical so-called therapies that interrupt & subvert their body's development before they've even begun puberty.

      Jazz Jennings, spotlighted by the msm states:

      “Basically there's a new wave of trans youth that are coming and that means there has to be groundbreaking surgeries for people who have taken blockers and don't have a lot of growth,” she explained to Us. “That's been the major problem with my surgery. Since I've been on blockers for so long, I don't have a lot of growth and you'll see this season if it can still work.”

      If this isn't clear, in essence, there's not enough manhood to vaginoplasty, not a surprise as jj's body has been subjected to an assault causing severe trauma, & that is what this is - an assault, an act of abuse, which makes why such is promoted as destiny emphasise, as if more emphasis were needed, that those who consider thmselves born to rule are sick perverts considering the mass of us nothing more than amusements to trifle with.

      This is not to say that some people caught up in the mad-push to manifest the rainbow-race, which ultimately isn't a true spectrum of peoples at all, are not genuine in their feelings of 'being born in the wrong body' or even having 'always known' etc. but these very, very few are an exception that does not prove a rule, & that's before even acknowledging the high rate of those who have undergone some kind of transition, or who plan to, who either regret it, reverse it (if possible), who go on to commit suicide or those who are murdered for being themselves.

      Then there's 'lactatia', the "diva-est diva you could ever think of", an eight year old drag queen (princes?) who performs at lgbt venues and prides, his advice for Folks who don't like it? Get new parents & get new friends, don't worry 'lactatia' the state's on it - it is your friend and only has your best interests at heart, if you doubt it check out Canada and bill c-16.

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    2. As an addendum I would add that the transtrender-agenda is an example of an attempt to master / mistress / xhi/xhur...steress / attack-helicopter... ? & redefine the fundamental rules determining existence in the first place.

      How to attempt do this? By trying to divine that which determines how things are, clearly the belief that this is possible is cherished by the self-styled and would-be elites and their bottom-feeders.

      Treading a Gnostic or gnostic path, or something that may appear to be so, is the method favoured by those seeking dominion over all to gain access to the keys to the kingdom, even though most would scoff at such woo in public & those that do hint at such things only do so in the most superficial of ways...

      Anyway, the likes of us aren't invited to their closed sessions & would any of us want to associate with such company if somehow the offer were made?

      KTV

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    3. KTV- the Gnostic path is spiritual. The method favored by the Archons is dominion. I scoff at your ignorance. 87

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    4. Step back from the banquet chum!

      The key in the part of my previous comment you reference was 'or something that may appear to be so'.

      To expand on this, I don't believe at all that the anti-human force is, or is attempting to be, Gnostic (although they love to play on appearing so or being the means through which such may be attained), nor can any good come from their machination - all that will is further corruption & degeneration until all is irrevocably ruined, but these self-styled do-gooders seek to pass off what they do as noble, just, righteous, worthy, good, great & most important of all to them, 'necessary', and very many involved in the upper echelons truly believe they are working for the light - as in the positive sense, the light you would consider to be light, although of course light means something very different for you than the outcome of the one-eyed endeavour.

      More than this though the overwhelming mass of us are willingly involved in the sleight of hand as we try to 'make the best of things', 'do our bit' or 'give something back' & 'make a difference' most of which feeds the very hate applied upon us, but ask most whether they understand such & you may as well have attempted to convey an abduction experience or engage in a conversation about mkultra.

      Most Folks would scoff with incredulity & aggression even at the mere suggestion that how we live could in any way be a contributor to any ultimate, not so far off, & present negative here as this mortal coil, let alone acting as facilitation for such to reign in the heavens, 'you need to live in the real world mate' is a common smug response... yes tell me of this 'real world' of yours...

      Few Folk are able to begin to acknowledge this and even fewer still to act on this Gnosis positively as the programming arrayed against us, through the medium of us, is full-spectrum, acting as a further denier of truth - emphasising another facet of the archontic dominator desire of the (would-be) demiurge(s).

      & to be even clearer I play my own part in bringing this state about, I'm not wielding Excalibur, I'm not even working towards being in the position to have a go at drawing the sword from the stone, though having said that this is a good goal for my life, to at least seek to have a go at...

      Yes I am ignorant, but for me to understand this is, at the very least, the beginnnings of a potential path to possible, possible Gnosis.

      KTV

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  10. You're a champion, Chris. Truly your brother's keeper. Don't let nobody tell you any different. Be well, my man. ;)

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  11. Gordon is not as intelligent as you. That's a misestimation. I can't say about the other Gentleman as I am not versed

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