Still Seeking the Sun's Secret


You never know when you're going to strike a nerve. I was doing some reading on reincarnation and blogged about it previously. The subject is something I keep meaning to go into greater detail about, but it keeps getting shoved to the back burner. It's long been a subject of interest for me and something that has a personal interest as well.

I was reading the chapter on the subject in Colin Wilson's The Occult and was struck by the resonance of case studies on reincarnation, some of which I was familiar with from other texts. I'm not commenting on their veracity per se, I'm commenting on their narrative power, which is rather immense.

One thing I did find interesting is that Wilson went from discussing reincarnation to a brief essay on UFOs, a segue-way I found particularly interesting given the fact that the two topics seem incongruously linked (you'd think UFO people would be all about ascension).

Yet the notorious UFO cult Unarius is just as much about reincarnation as it is flying saucers, and the Heaven's Gate cult believed that they would reincarnate on the Hale Bopp saucer. As Mike Clelland noted in the comments, there's plenty more where that came from.

But I suppose I was blogging about reincarnation because a model for it had occurred to me a short time ago. It struck me that human beings were judged to be alive by their ability to generate heat, and that perhaps that this heat was that elusive thing we call spirit, itself a kind of conscious radiation.

Since basic thermodynamics teaches us that heat rises, it occurred to me that this heat/spirit would come into contact with the power of the Sun, and that perhaps the Sun itself was not only conscious, but the author of all consciousness within the solar system. A "broadcaster of souls," as I called it.

This was simply an intuition. I don't even know if such a thing could be tested for. But in these days where terabytes of information can be attached to laser beams-- focused energy, after all-- the model didn't seem so far-fetched.

Following that model it then struck me that, reincarnation or no,  living creatures are like stations in a network and the network is Solar Consciousness. Everything we can touch or test is made of Sun, why wouldn't it express Sun? In the end, everything we accept as our reality is mostly a function of necessity of physical life- cars, houses, clothes, language- not of consciousness itself.

We simply think of the Sun today as some giant light bulb in the sky but science tells us it's the source of everything we really know (I'll refrain from commenting on our speculations about other solar systems simply because they're ultimately based on a latticework of guesses and don't let anyone tell you different). How can we have consciousness- however you describe it- ex nihilo?

Doesn't it make more sense that we are a reflection of consciousness? After all, it wasn't so long ago that we didn't realize that plants had consciousness. Why stop there?

This needn't even conflict with someone's religious beliefs because we are talking about a system here, not who or what is necessarily operating it.

Anyone who's had a powerful psychedelic experience realizes that our daily consciousness is but a veneer, and that deeper layers of consciousness lie beneath (not all of which are especially pleasant), many of which have been ascribed to plants, or to the Earth itself. If we ascribe consciousness to the Earth, why not to the Sun from which it came? After all, the Sun produces music, doesn't it?

What greater signal of consciousness could you ask for?

I realize I'm going into a bit more detail here than I did in the previous post. The post before was really a reflection on personal experience but that's not what most people seemed to tune into. The mention of the Sun in relation to reincarnation was almost an aside, just a passing mention of a possible mechanism for this transmigration. But it certainly seemed to strike a very deep chord, provoking a number of fascinating replies on the connection between the Sun's mysterious power and the survival of bodily death.

Of course, this really brought me back to the origins of this blog and the work behind it, the Mystery religions- whose chief concern was the fate of the soul following death- and Sun worship. There were a number of Mysteries but as time went on the Solar mysteries seemed to take power and precedence, eventually become chief among religions in the Roman Empire.

Of course Sun worship was brought into Rome through foreign evangelists, but chief among these were the Syrian sun cultists who came to the Eternal City with the so-called Syrian Emperors, who were in fact descendants of the Phoenicians with their mysteries, both great and small (Ba'albek, for starters).

Many of the "New Mythologists" argue today that the Christianity of Rome was itself just an elaborate form of ritualized sun worship, a compromise between Roman sun worship and Asian Christianity.

One thing that should be noted is that many of the Solar Mystery cults preached a ritualized form of reincarnation in which the adherent was slain to the world and rose into the precepts of the cult. That the beliefs of the world were no longer valid and were to be rejected.

It's interesting to note that among the intellectuals of their time you saw much the same kinds of rationalist and skeptical belief systems, as well as the same kind of mindless hedonism and narcissism, that we see today. That is precisely what these cults rejected and abhorred, in the most militant and often gruesome ways you can imagine.

All of which is to say that even back then you had the Sun and reincarnation linked in a very powerful and profound way (not to mention UFOs- no, really). It struck me that plasma-- which I've written about in depth in relation to UFOs-- also relates back to the Sun. There seems to be a taboo against looking into such connections. 500 years ago you'd be accused of witchcraft, today you'd be accused of "pseudoscience", which is just a fancy synonym for the same thing.

The link between the Sun and these greater Mysteries was all consuming to me a few years back. For a number of reasons I drifted away from that particular path of inquiry, but maybe because there were questions I found myself getting hung up on. The ancient Sun cults were not dilettantes and were not dabblers, they were some of the most hardcore bonecrushers of the ancient world.

Something compelled them, something beyond our secular understanding. I still haven't figured out what exactly it was. (Either way, I think you should take strength from their example. The smart set were all about Epicureanism and Stoicism and other kinds of proto-atheistic thoughtforms. They probably looked down on all those superstitious maniacs too).

What authors like Angus argue however is that the Mysteries faded because their arcane cosmologies were too esoteric for popular appeal. People preferred the simple appeal of Christianity. I would argue this is a political argument, since the Isis cult was as populist as Christianity, and didn't die but was in fact simply absorbed into the Church.

When shopping for salvation, Angus seems to argue, the simplest explanations are usually the most compelling.

I'm not selling salvation but I can't think of a simpler model for the immortality of the soul than the one I laid out here. Now, please note that I'm not going to talk about karma and rising and falling along the levels of attainment there. Wilson cited a scholar who dismissed reincarnation because it negates compassion, by arguing that one's karma is earned by actions in a past life. I agree- that all smacks a bit too much of priestcraft for my liking.

All I know is this simple intuition, this stray realization,  got me to think a lot more seriously about reincarnation than I've had in years. Maybe having some kind of reasonable model -- with at least a veneer of science-- is what I needed all along.

Now, about those flying saucers...


NOTES: I wrote about animal reincarnation back in 2007 when our beloved cat Mary seemed to reappear in an nearly-identical form as a kitten. Since then this new incarnation (who we call Fruit Wrinkles) has only become more eerily like the previous one, favoring the same spots in the yard and generally behaving and carrying herself in a startlingly-identical manner. I believe that event and circumstance shape our personalities in powerful ways so Fruit Wrinkles was quite different in her youth (Mary had kittens shortly after her first birthday) but as time goes by the similarities are amazing. 

It did occur to me that they could be related but there's no way of proving that and their origins are such that it's extremely unlikely. What's more remarkable is how Fruit Wrinkles just seemed to drop into our lives as if an inevitability. I don't expect this to be anything but an anecdote to most people, but it's rather stunning evidence for us personally.

44 comments:

  1. If earth is an example for the emergence of conscious life, then a dead star, is reanimated by it's proximity to a living star. At the very least, creating conditions, that allow life to animate itself. A resurrection of sorts. Giving credence to some mythological cosmologies, than skeptical reduction generally allows.

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    1. This is where I think a more psychedelic consciousness benefits. It's almost as if if pondering these kinds of mysteries in a materialist, reductionist mindset will lead you nowhere. But at the same time I worry that it will all become too speculative and cosmic and lose any contact with our daily reality altogether. You see the evil genius of our social programming at times like this.

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  2. Hey Chris,

    Man, it really isn't a coincidence that I found your blog, is it? I owned 'The Complete X Files: Behind the Series, the Myths, and the Movies' before I even knew who you were. By the by, commenters, you should all own that book. The X Files is full of secrets, powerful and profound secrets still to be decoded and recognized. Anyway, Chris, your recent reply to my comment on the previous post got me thinking about the potential connections between self-knowledge and our solar system. It got me thinking about your Stargates and Solar Temples post, and your Secret Star Trek posts. I sense an occluded thru-line here, as I'm sure you do too. In my own Amid Night Suns mythology I often refer to humanity as Vessels - creator-beings who were originally imagined/created to act as reliquaries or arks to house the Innermost Light, divine energy at its most potent. I think we 'humans' were in some oblique sense the original priest-class. A benign and compassionate and non-rapey priest-class, it should be pointed out.

    Plasma beings, the Faerie, UFO's, reincarnation, the dream-realm, the Afterlife, Gnosticism, Solar Consciousness, classified governmental grail quests concerning the mutability of the space-time continuum, remote viewing, psychic children......it's all so obviously and glaringly connected, right? I mean connected in cold hard reality as well as symbolically. We just don't know how or why. Ok, so I get that all this is stuff is 'just' art and fiction; fragile tissues of suppositions and guesses and hopes and fears. But we're all humans and we all get that it's also something more. Experience always has fiction present within it. I've learned this the hard way. Art and storytelling even in its broadest sense is true magic, because it's how all sentience operates. Cognition requires context, and context requires the ability to associate, compare and contrast. That's storytelling. And when done with a flourish, with style or consideration, that's art. It's inescapable. We all know this on some deep and primal level. Yet we're all still groping at meaning-production in the depths of an unfathomable weirdness. I've always believed that we're something akin to sentient metaphysical nuclear reactors, or solar reactors, art reactors, magick reactors. Like you said, "Everything we can touch or test is made of Sun, why wouldn't it express Sun?" There is deep truth in this notion, Chris. I for one can sense it, and agree. Like artists themselves, we're mediums as much as we're scribes, you know? We're as much poetry as we are prose. We ignore that at our peril. And you can bet that powerful people pour vast amounts of money into getting a handle on these interrelationships, and weaponizing them. But even these are only partial insights, I suspect, elegant and engaging as they are. But here's the crux - partial insights are fucking useful. They're the difference between life and death, freedom and control, in this current oligarchy. My life has taught me, sometimes quite brutally, that there are gaps and fractures in any thesis, any form of storytelling. That's how the light gets in. You and this blog are such an inspiration to me, Chris.

    Peace

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    1. Well, I'm just scraping away it seems. I appreciate you adding the embellishment to my pencil sketch here because drifting into these kinds of topics gets kind of risky- it's all too easy to lose contact with people's daily reality, their cognition. And I'm just trying to put these pieces together- it's a puzzle most people don't even realize exists. But you reminded of what Jeff Kripal had said about the CIA RVers, how most of them wrote this kind of mystical poetry or devotional literature of a kind, and how in the end they too are storytellers. Telling stories in ways people never imagined before. But at the same time is it all that different from the old oracles? Angus's book on the Mysteries is biased as hell but it did really remind you that nothing we strive to capture hasn't been sought after before.

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  3. Have you ever thought about what solar wind might really be about? Solar wind, radiated from the Sun, affects the magnetic field of the Earth, which in turn affects our own. Perhaps our bodies are just picking up a specific signal or wavelength emanating from the Sun.

    This matches up with the religious notion that all consciousness is One. It also makes me wonder what's going on with those stars that are like a bajillion times the size of the Sun...

    Anyway, thanks Chris, that was a very appropriate post for a Scorpio Full Moon

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    1. Well, it's all part of the same package. It's all that spinning vortex of energy that has such a powerful effect on our lives. All of this internet stuff could be gone forever with just one errant solar flare. I'm glad you mentioned the full moon- it was deep and orange and pulsating last night, like a miniature sun in the dark.

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  4. The sun didn't come from the sun, however.

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    1. No, it did not. And that's what's always hung me with all this stuff. Plus, all of the evidence that the Sun some of the ancients were worshipping wasn't our Sun at all....

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    2. As far as ancients worshipping a different sun than the one we know and love today. Have you ever seen this video on youtube. Highly interesting stuff!
      -D
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7EAlTcZFwY

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  5. Like our friend Ra there, for example, who was actually the lord of a ringed green sun.... http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2008/06/like-i-said-their-sun-is-different.html

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  6. Chris, I think the karma/punishment part of reincarnation gets skewed by our western Christian world view of wanting a father to judge and punish those we deem worse than ourselves. I agree with your 'priestcraft' comment. I find that it makes more sense to think of reincarnation more along the lines of a refining process that is controlled as much by ourselves as any highest God (note the capitalization). I personally think Karma is always working, we don't need to wait for reincarnation to have an influence.

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    1. Well, I like the way you put it. Very interesting. I think compassion should never be overlooked. That's my problem with a lot of the New Age as well, a distinct lack of compassion towards the sick and unfortunate since there's so much rationalizing about what someone willed or whatever.

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  7. Chris, on the subject of the "other sun" I've often wondered about a specific image in Soloman Trismosin's series of alchemical illustrations, "Splendor Solis". Plate 19, The Dark Sun, appears to show a sunset but actually it's something rather different. This sun seems to be dark yet radiates light; it's visible through the landscape as if the artist was trying to indicate it was somehow incorporeal; and the dead trees in the landscape give the scene an ominous feeling. By contrast the final plate shows the "normal" sun shining over a city. In the alchemical schema, the "dark sun" represents the phase known as Nigredo, the blackening that represents the first stage of the Magnum Opus. Yet I've often wondered about this singular image and how it relates to other "hidden sun" or "dark sun" lore.
    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/548383692099105346/

    More here: http://www.chymist.com/Splendor%20solis.pdf

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    1. Oh yes indeed, that's a whole other can of worms with the Alchemists. The sun of Ra sounds very much like an alien sun and reminds me how we hear so much talk in Gnostic circles about alien this and alien that but when the rubber hits the road it's all reduced to metaphor. I don't think a movement that lasted half a millennium and then some underground was motivated by metaphor.

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  8. Along with Steven Smith above, I tend to think that if reincarnations happens, it's got to do more with spirit refining itself ....alchemically as it were. Rather than the material experience being a cause for judgement, it's a trial by fire. I've often wondered if the realization of what the game is is the last stage. Which tracks some eastern ontologies. The idea that the soul achieves some ultimate crossover - either into dissolution into a 'godhead' (whatever that is supposed to be) or a permanent lofty height of some sort.

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    1. Well, I wonder if being "free from birth" means evolving into a plasmic energy being a la 2001. There's some grist for the mill...

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  9. To shine forth is key. Earth mother, Sun father. Life is for us a learning experience. Learn well! Respectfully, Dennis

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  10. I tend to think it is simpler and more elegant to posit consciouness is a substrate for matter (rather than the other way around). That seems to be the inevitable conclusion if you meditate on it long enough (see, for example, the work of Max Tegmark, a physict who very carefully argues that the physical universe is ultimately "made of math", which is just a very narrow way of saying that it is made of consciousness). But this is a general statement and difficult to connect with on any level than the extremely abstract, since who knows what "consciousness" is in its most general form?

    But if you want to talk about *human* consciousness (or more properly *Gaia* consciousness since humans are inextricably tied to our biosphere) I think your idea may have legs. Somewhat coincidentally (or??) Gordon White has a post where he links to an article about physicist Jeremy England's work on dissipative systems; England proposes that life (or something life-like) is an inevitable consequence of thermodynamic disequilibrium. In that case, every star/planet system gives rise to something that is akin to life, but our particular form of it is perhaps unique to our solar system (or, really, our planet).

    Still I'm not sure the sun explains reincarnation. I think it's more that there is a consciousness waveform that is driven from the substrate level but travels through the physical world.

    It's possible that I'm simply not enough of a romantic to appreciate your model/mythology.

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    1. Well, Gaia is the medium, the playing field. But we can never underestimate the power of the Sun, particularly when you look at the effect on astronauts outside the troposphere/atmosphere. Or those pesky little Ice Ages. It's a binary system, spirit and matter.

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  11. Hey Chris,

    It’s funny how cyclical life is. For instance, I found Mike Clelland through reading your blog. From his site I found an interview he did some years ago with a psychic medium named Anya Briggs. She became the first and only person I have ever received a reading from (back when her prices were in a range more affordable to a cog like myself.) She informed me that I was a starseed. For any who don’t know the term; from what I understand, it’s basically a person who’s most recent past life(lives) was on another world. Usually such a person has a deep seeded sense of mission to improve the world. I searched the internet and found a sort of community website for such folk called starseeds.net. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of your other readers are members as well.
    In this community there exists a broad spectrum of individuals who are into or identify with what you refer to as “high strangeness”. Naturally, there are some who are clearly mentally ill, although I am not one to immediately discount a person’s possible experiences just because they’re unstable. It might very well be these experiences causing the instability. After all, who can really say for sure? It’s real enough to them and affects them quite profoundly whether it’s objectively real or not. I found myself overwhelmed by the blurriness between what was real in my day to day and what I thought might be real about the greater reality I was immersing myself in to.
    All in all, if the soul exists to me it makes far more sense for there to be multiple life experiences than just the one. If there are indeed other worlds or realities other than this; I see no reason why all of it wouldn’t be some massive interconnected system. By the way if you haven’t heard as far as possible evidence for the soul existing there is this. British physicist Sir Roger Penrose and American anesthesiologist Dr Stuart Hameroff developed this quantum theory of consciousness claiming that human souls are located in the structures called microtubules that ‘live’ inside the brain cells.

    -D

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    1. It's interesting- Andre Breton thought schizophrenics were visionaries and natural surrealists. Oftentimes paranoids are several steps ahead of us when seeing danger coming down the pike. It's usually just a question of how well you can operate in society that separates the schizoid from the visionary. But I think there's a similar signal being tuned into it's just a question of how well the signal is processed. This is important to realize as the old Soviet model of declaring dissidents as mentally ill is being revived in the most aggressive manner by the oligarchs and their media toadies.

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    2. Coming from a family with a history of mental illness I have often wondered/considered that very thing; people with issues like scizophrenia being more sensative to certain "outside" influences. Whatever those influences may be is unclear. On a related note I have come across studies that have found it is possible to create alien abduction like experiences for people in a labratory using magnetism. Also, certain sound frequencies un-noticed by the conscious mind can create the sensations of hauntings. Of course the materialists would say thats the end of the debate. It's simply naturally occuring phenomenon that makes people think something supernatural is happening where it isn't. However I wonder if they themselves aren't confusing causation and correlation.

      What if magnetism is a factor in opening certain doorways, for lack of a better word? I know of one thing that has a huge affect on the Earths magnetic field. The mother f*%king sun!

      -D

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    3. Though true mental illness is obviously a reality, one does not have to be so to perceive things that many others cannot or refuse to acknowledge if somehow stumbling into something that just does not fit the script. There are a lot of things that have to remain unclear but cannot be honestly shoved under the rug or otherwise dismissed as being unreal or the product of an unbalanced mind. Doesn't make them any less real. Right now, I doubt anyone really has the answers, and though it is fascinating to spend time researching and listening to the endless speculation and experiences available to us these days, and personally, I seem to *need* the mental challenge of sifting through it all, I think the picture is ultimately too big for anybody to really get a clear view.
      Magnetic fields and various chemicals can produce the same types of experiences, DMT being one that also bring about an alien abduction experience, all the while being perfectly aware that you are physically sitting in a room on a chair. I sure as hell dont know what to make of that.

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    4. Chris said it way better and I totally forgot to until I saw the comment above yours, if you have spent just about any amount of time around someone that is diagnosed, you'll notice they really DO seem to be tuned in and a little bit ahead of things, and seem to have a talent for seeing through the layers of interaction that most don't even acknowledge. I think there are only so many things that can happen when a persons mind gets stirred up, in a 1001 ways, whether it be the stress of a physical or mental illness, chems, or whatever, weird shit along a fairly predictable path of expression is going to show up.

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    5. We should also be skeptical about some of this so-called science, knowing now what we do about the epidemic of fraud in peer review and so on. This goes especially when you are dealing with subjective phenomena like psychological issues. How do we know these patients actually felt or experienced these phenomena the scientists claimed? Were the patients merely trying to placate or please their doctors or the scientists? Were these fantasy-prone people who lie about their experience or maybe even the entire corpus of evidence was invented out of whole cloth. We know now that scientists aren't above that, particularly scientists driven by strong ideological motives.

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  12. Hi,
    I tried emailing Chris at an old email address I had for him, but got no response. I used to read this blog all the time, but then he said he was done with it. I came back a few times and never saw any activity. So I thought it was gone for good. Then I just came back to find it is started back up not too long ago.

    I am trying to find out when it started back up? I have been scrolling back through the pages, but I haven't come to it yet.

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    1. That's the Universe telling you to keep reading. You'll come to it eventually!

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  13. The process of globalization is the biggest change to the world order for 350 years. So they say.

    On top of that there's been a lot of unrest in the world over the last few years, to put it mildly; which is bound to get peoples senses tingling. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. It's odd how I can be playing a song called Katmandu one day and then there's an earthquake there the next. It's almost like I know it's going to happen somewhere in my subconscious. We all watch horrific things on the news or read things that blow our minds and then have to continue getting on with life, that is almost psychotic in itself I would say. I've never paid much attention to re-incarnation not for any reason it's just I've been too busy but as I understand it most religions say the soul needs to be at rest for that to happen and I see a lot of souls in the world that aren't at rest so I wonder where that will lead. There's an old saying in England 'Home is where the heart is' and if that's true and everyday our hearts are going out to people suffering in the big wide world where does that lead? What we focus on plays a huge role in our well being and that is our choice but it's largely swayed by events. That's what I feel anyway.

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    1. Globalization is turning out to be a hollow pie. And now that the BRICS have decided to set up their own NWO the Anglo-American Axis are finding themselves with a lot more problems than they ever accounted for. A lot of countries are already hunkering down. Reality hasn't hit America yet- I'm afraid we're the drunks who have to hit rock bottom.

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  14. As I understand it, in many eastern traditions reincarnation is seen as the problem not a solution or a neutral fact. iAs I understand, in buddhism desire keeps you revolving in samsara, life after life. Its opposite, inner peace, would be the anulling of this bondage.

    So, then, like you said heat= desire would be involved in producing individual spirit-bodies and an inner peace=chilling, cooling off, is the way out of the cosmic maze-race. Blowing out the flame, as it were.

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    1. Well, that's one way of looking at it. Buddhism seeks oblivion, which isn't really my thing, I guess.

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    2. Thanks for the answer.
      There´s one buddhist saying I heard:
      When the house you´re in is on fire
      the solution is not to be rearranging the furniture
      but getting the heck out. Maybe there comes a time when getting burnt to a crisp over and over sitting pretty in the same basic bonfire, gets a little old for a human.

      That´s a feeling I have, not there yet myself, though.




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    3. Thanks for the answer.
      There´s a buddhist saying I heard.
      When the house you´re in is on fire
      the solution is not to be rearranging the furniture
      but rather getting the heck out.

      I think, getting burnt to a crisp over and over, sitting pretty in the same bonfire, at some point may get old for a human.

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    4. Sorry for posting the same twice. Please if you can
      delete one. Cheers.

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  15. I previously posted this on The Higherside Chats plus.

    When it comes down to the mental state and attitude of the so called 'elite' the labels psychopath or sociopath (which are currently officially labelled as anti social personality disorder in short ASPD) and narcissist (NPD) are often spoken of in the alternative media. I think that the biggest threat to humanity as a whole is the largely unknown dynamic between the ASPD/NPD person and the non ASPD/NPD person. This dynamic is really dangerous because most people do not know or don not want to know that it exists or what it comprises off. Another damaging factor is that the ASPD/NPD exists throughout society in all walks of life not just merely among the 'elite'.

    If a person wants to do something about the worldwide corruption they have to have a solid grasp of the ASPD/NPD people and the toxic dynamic between them and fully empathic conscientious people. If for instance the current power holders and negative influencers where to be taken out of their positions of power the toxic dynamic will still be in place if most people do not grasp this toxic dynamic. The problem is not merely the ASPD/NPD it is also the non ASPD/NPD that is not aware of or not willing to be aware of the dynamic in place.

    A big obstacle to overcome will be that the ASPD/NPD uses the psychological state and attitude of the non ASPD/NPD against them. A lot of people that I have interacted with in life see themselves as the standard from which to judge interpret or predict the intentions and actions of other humans. The biggest pitfall towards a free and sovereign human being is a human being who sees the world from a solipsistic point of view. When dealing with ASDP/NPD all known healthy and good human attributes do not apply. There will and can be no reciprocity. From the end of the ASPD/NPD the dynamic will consist of deceit and manipulation without conscience and remorse. The manipulation tactics used by ASPD/NPD are undermining the sanity of those that are being manipulated by them. A commonly used tactic will be ‘’gaslighting’’ the reversal of what is really happening or true. For instance constantly subjugating a person to ambient and emotional abuse for which the abused will be blamed. If the abused person were to speak up for themselves they will be met with a flabbergasted ASPD/NPD who is really hurt by the accusation and also asks the abused person if everything is allright with them and maybe they should seek out some psychological help. This example is just one of the many tactics that are used by the ASPD/NPD other types of abuse can be physical, sexual, mental, psychological, spritiual,withholding of resources etc..

    It is hard for most conscientious empathic people to consider that there are people in all walks of life without conscience or remorse and who will destroy another human being for their own needs and wants that sometimes could be simply for the sake of entertainment. It is also difficult for many people to know that they are dealing with an ASPD/NPD because these people are not necessarily overtly violent or murderous. Often times they will be charming intelligent and seemingly together and they have the cappacity to awaken states and needs in a person that they themselves were unaware of that they had. An in my opinion much made mistake is to claim that the ASPD/NPD is incapable of empathy. This is not completely so they are certainly adept at reading empathic cues in others. It is that they have a cognitive capabillity to interpret and mimic empathy in a skilled manner it is true that there is no or hardly any affect thus there is little to no feeling of empathy.

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  16. Continuation of comment.

    When a person has been abused by a ASPD/NPD the consequences are disastrous. In a lot of cases the preyed upon individual develops complex post traumatic stress disorder (C-PTSD) a variant of the well known PTSD. But this C-PTSD will be really difficult to recover from. In part because of the denial and judgement from most people in society including the mental health community. It leaves a person as an empty shell of the human being that they once were. It is even more damaging when a child grows up with one or both parents with ASPD/NPD and or other ASPD/NPD persons in their familly or enviroment.

    I wonder how much of the people that are educating themselves about the state of humanity and the world via alternative media and alternative sources truly grasp what it means when it comes down to the claims that the world is run by psychopaths. And what it will require to deal with this predicament humans find themselves in worldwide. Another remark that often gets made in interviews about this subject is the description of ASPD/NPD as psychotic and the widespread propagation of psychosis as inherently violent and dangerous to other people. This is a false view while you can say that the ASPD/NPD is in a state of delusion about themselves it is more like some kind of controlled psychosis. In that a non ASPD/NPD person in a psychotic state is more than often really scared and retreated into themselves and it is the enviroment around them and the people in it that are dangerous and are behaving violently towards the psychotic person. Psychotic does not as a rule equal psychopath or crazy violent murderer. It is a lot of times so that most ASPD/NPD persons and non ASPD/NPD psychotic perons have had horrible abusive childhoods in which their needs were not met. A big question that that raises is: what causes some people to devolop ASPD/NPD while others who suffered simmilar abuse as children do not? But a horrible childhood does not excuse abusive behavior abuse is abuse. All these distinctions are important to make if someone wants to understand the causal factors of the problems at hand.

    What will be needed is education about the aforementioned subjects.
    A good basic understanding of human psychology, philosophy and critical thinking.
    An understanding of cognitive dissonance and ones own weak spots.
    Being able to admit that one can be or is wrong, ignorant, imperfect, capable of making mistakes, abandoning a solipsistic world view if a person has one. An honest look at childhood and familly of origins dynamic. Because from these aspects if not fully understood and integrated the ASPD/NPD will find the weakspots of a person and use that against them. This will apply to almost everyone to a varying degree.

    While someone may think that this is all nonsense or something they do not want to know. The toxic dynamic between ASPD/NPD is still in place and does still have a great effect on their lives whether they know it or not.

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    1. I'm sorry but I'm having trouble relating this to the piece I wrote. The topic we're discussing is reincarnation. Please in the future address the topic at hand. Material from other forums is welcome so long as it's on-topic.

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    2. Ok. I will respect your request.

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  17. Chris,

    Are you familiar with the work of Steve Richards?
    http://www.holographickinetics.com/

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    1. I've been reading a bit on 'biological SETI' which is similar in a way to the work Steve Richards covers.

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    2. I'll look into 'biological SETI'. Claims like the ones Steve Richards makes sound too good to be true though. Trauma healing is a difficult process. And the shapeshifting he reports if true would only be acceptable after lived experience.

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  18. Commercials were hilarious for being so odd, enjoyed all three

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    1. I guess Ra is a little easier to put over than Horus. 'Cause we all know that's Horus.

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