The Secret War Against the New Age: False Flags


In which we tie together some seemingly disparate threads...
A while back a horde of Christian (and some Muslim) conspiracy theorists declared war on pop stars they perceived to be 'occult illuminists'. Since then we've seen thousands of blog postings and video lectures proving to us how Jay-Z and Lady GaGa in particular are trying to brainwash us all into accepting Lord Baphomet von Maitreya as our infernal lord and savior, and submit to new world order microchipping and so on and so forth.
One might imagine - given all of the time and effort that these internet crusaders put into their jeremiads - that the goal was to expose this devilry and bring down Jay and GaGa and their vast financial empires as punishment for their parts in this dastardly conspiracy.
So how's that working out for them? First Jay-Z:
Jay-Z reigns supreme on Forbes magazine's latest edition of its "Hip-Hop Cash Kings" list, which ranks the estimated earnings of hip-hop's biggest stars over the past year. The rapper dwarfed his competition with $63 million earned over the last 12 months, according to the list released today (Aug. 17).
Huh. Not so good. How about Lady GaGa?
Gaga can thank Virgin Mobile, Polaroid, Monster and Viva Glam for helping her earn $62 million between June 2009 and June 2010. The fact that her music is insanely popular doesn't hurt either. She earned $31 million from a 106-date tour and her video for Telephone (featuring Beyoncé) has been viewed 90 million times. Gaga's Internet presence is so strong that she ranks first on our list for Web hits and social networking.
Umm...
It's hard to quantify what kind of effect all of the righteous huffing and puffing has had on JZ or LGG's mammoth incomes, but I'll bet the farm any negative effect has been so minimal as to be statistically invisible. I would bet it's had the exact opposite effect- all of the blog and video attacks have invested stars like Jay-Z and Lady GaGa with a 'forbidden' mystique that money can't buy. It's the oldest trick in the book, as we recently discussed.
And this blowback effect is nothing new either- the Christian war on heavy metal in the 80s had much the same effect as we're seeing here. The PMRC censorship hearings in the Senate made instant stars of obscure acts like WASP and The Mentors, and the same blowback effect would make Marilyn Manson a household name in the 90s when he used scolds like Bill Bennett and Joe Lieberman as his unwitting PR men.
All of the controversy couldn't have worked better for Jay-Z if he tried. Literally- he dangled the bait and a whole lot of suckers took it, not realizing they were playing his game. The whole con is like some elaborate false flag operation. (false flag occultism?) I called it back in December, referring to Jay-Z's 'On to the Next One' video
He's not worried about being "exposed"- he's depending on it. That's part of the game. Every con needs a shill, and dupes always make for the best shills.
Luckily for Jay, the groundwork for the scam has been laid by generations of hucksters and hysterics selling politically-motivated gossip as fact. Take the "Occult Nazi" meme; it kicked off in the old pulps, but has been reinforced through repetition to the point that's accepted as fact. It's shocking how many people will swear that the Nazi Party was one giant occult lodge run amok, though even a cursory review of the facts shows exactly the opposite:
The full focus of the state was not aimed at religious groups until 9 June 1941 when Reinhard Heydrich, the head of the security police, banned lodge organizations and esoteric groups in the wake of the flight to Scotland by Rudolf Hess, who had been attracted and influenced by the organic farming theories of Rudolf Steiner and Anthroposophy. However, the suppression of esoteric organisations began very soon after the Nazis acquired governmental power. Dr. Anna Bramwell points out that "occultist racialists were banned as early as 1934."
Things got worse for esotericists after Rudolph Hess's disastrous attempt at solo diplomacy:
Martin Bormann decided that the best way of presenting the story to the German people would be to announce that Hess was actually insane, and shortly afterwards it was announced that he had been crazed by 'hypnotists, astrologers and so on'. In Britain, The Times actually reported that Hess had been Hitler's private astrologer!

This gave the Gestapo the excuse to clamp down on astrology in general, and those who had formerly enjoyed the protection of a sympathetic Himmler...(t)his delighted a number of members of the Nazi High Command, few of whom admired Himmler, and many of whom regarded him as deranged...along with faith healers, clairvoyants, graphologists, Christian Scientists and spiritualists, astrologers were definitely out of favour.
There's no shortage of data documenting the Nazis' cozy relationship with the Church, yet for some strange reason it's all been suppressed in favor of this "occult Nazi" false flag (or the "secular Nazi" meme you see in the media). Hitler was quite clear in his speeches where his own beliefs lay, and they had nothing to do with the occult.

The other bizarre aspect about all of this is that all of the esotericists/occultists/New Agers I could name off the top of my head - David Icke, Michael Tsarion, Jordan Maxwell, Tracy Twyman, Conscious Media Network, Iona Miller, Project Camelot, Steven Greer, Whitley Strieber, and Jaz Coleman (who we'll get to in part 2) - are all militantly anti-globalist, anti-corporatist, anti-collectivist, anti-authoritarian- you name it. In fact esotericism is itself oriented to the individual and not the collective. So why the persistence of this meme?

The whole "Occult/New Age new world order" meme emerged primarily from Fundamentalist researchers Texe Marrs and Constance Cumbey, who pored through the impenetrable writings of Alice Bailey, David Spengler and Benjamin Creme in order to paint a very scattered movement with the same brush (even if most New Agers hadn't even heard of those writers). It was the war against the New Age that made Bailey et al infamous. We'll get to Bailey later, but let's take a quick look at the other two.

In Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, Cumbey claimed that David Spengler - who also claimed that Lucifer was the spirit of the New Age- had threatened his enemies with "extermination":
The Movement has threatened violence and even extermination of Jews, Christians, and Moslems failing to cooperate with "Maitreya" and the New World Religion. The threat is contained in several places in the Alice Bailey writings and reiterated in the David Spangler writings, which state that those of us who refuse to accept the "Christ" will be sent to another dimension other than physical incarnation, out of physical embodiment, to another level of vibration where we will be happier!
There is so much absurdity here. First of all, as she does throughout all her writings, Cumbey makes a universal claim about the New Age movement based on her interpretation of the words of a single author. Second, Spangler obviously has no power to execute his transdimensional ethnic cleansing or anything remotely like it, so it's all just one man's delusion.

Or is it something else? Here's an interesting sketch of Spangler's childhood:
Spangler was born in Columbus, Ohio, in 1945. At the age of six, he moved to Morocco in North Africa where his father was assigned as a counterintelligence agent for U.S. Army Intelligence. He lived there for six years, returning to the United States when he was twelve in 1957. He attended Deerfield Academy in Massachusetts
I did a little poking around and found some notable Deerfield Alumni.

Lyman Kirkpatrick (1916–1995), inspector general and executive director of the Central Intelligence Agency
John Chafee (1922–1999), U.S. Senator from and Governor of Rhode Island; Secretary of the Navy under President Richard Nixon
David S. Dodge (1922 – January 20, 2009) was the Vice-President for Administration (1979–83), Acting President (1981–82) and President (1996–97) of the American University in Beirut.
William Stoltzfus, Jr. (born 1924), U.S. Ambassador to Kuwait, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, and Oman
John Weinberg (1925–2006), chairman of Goldman Sachs
Rodman Rockefeller (1932–2000), philanthropist
Richard Mellon Scaife (born 1932), media mogul and philanthropist, "The Republican George Soros"
David H. Koch (born 1940), billionaire, Libertarian Vice-Presidential candidate in 1984
King Abdullah II al-Hussein of Jordan (born 1962)
Now this doesn't mean anything in and of itself, but it's fascinating the writer who's given loads of ammunition to anti-New Age propagandists was the son of an counterintelligence agent and went to school with some major heavy-hitters in right wing politics, as well as in Middle East politics.

The other person of the Unholy Trinity of Fundamentalist propaganda is Benjamin Creme, who recently made the news for his seemingly-endless "Lord Maitreya" hoax. Before dreaming up Maitreya, Creme was involved with the Contactee craze of the late 1950s:
In mid-1957 he worked with a group which claimed contact with the Space Brothers, and discovered his ability to transmit energies from the Space People. In 1958 Creme entered into close contact and began to work for the Space Brothers. Creme also worked briefly with contactee George Adamski, vouching for the authenticity of Adamski's contacts from his own experiences.
Filip Coppens writes of Adamski and the Contactees:
More significantly, it is now known that Adamski was the same: he was not only encouraged in his work, but actively supported and assisted, by the CIA. This became known – though not widely reported when scientists attempting to investigate Adamski's claims...were warned off by CIA Director Allen Dulles in person. And research has shown that during tours of Europe and Australia to promote his “message”, Adamski travelled on a passport furnished by the CIA...long before this information became public, Leon Davidson had already stated that Adamski was controlled by the CIA.
Despite some overheated speculations by "Gov't UFO" theorists, Adamski and his ilk did much to make the topic of UFOs a national laughingstock, with his ridiculous stories about blonde Venusians and the rest of it (the miniseries Taken presented a similar contactee, who was being used by intelligence agents to discredit UFO researchers).

Sensing a pattern here?


TO BE CONTINUED

119 comments:

  1. decoding the occult is the new hip trend.

    so much ignorance, its hurts my head.

    There is the obvious symbolism in Jay-z and Gaga but the "newbies" are nitpicking at everything which has flooded youtube, etc and of course much of the ignorance comes from prior ignorant beliefs ie Christianity/Islam/Judaism.

    For some reason the Vigilantcitizen forum is a prime example. i went a few times and its horrible. i just recently check in and someone has just recently called out the forum out on its absurd randomness (pointing out every "devil" rock hand sign), after one vid people think they know it all.

    For the artists there is no such thing as bad publicity. all this works into their favor.its not like people will stop listening, all it does is bring in new customers or views ie money.

    The occult is becoming overt now. no reason to stay hidden. what we are seeing in movies/media/music is the tagging or branding of their property and people are accepting it.

    the "establishment" maybe so narcissistic and egotistical they are now saying.."what you gonna do about it".

    and the response is silence from the populace. "they" know it doesnt matter what you know if you dont act upon your knowledge.

    not to mention the tea party is also false flag freedom lovers.

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  2. I understand the premise behind your posts - focusing on the motives, hypocrisy and genuineness of its accusers - but Nazi occultism is certainly not a false flag. It has been overemphasised plenty of times, sure, but serious work regarding its importance in shaping the political irrationalism of the time is indisputable. The pulp mags and ufo rags probably latched onto certain tidbits long before anyone took it serious simply because they too understood the functional significance of the occult. As for serious study I'm sure you're aware of the works of Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke. But above all, James Webb had it nailed long before professors started taking occultism seriously only when they realized that they could call it something else to seem respectable - esotericism. In particular, see the chapter 'The Magi of the North' in Webb's 'The Occult Establishment.'

    James Webb's first book in the series was about the gurus who layed the groundwork for the beliefs of those who eventually came of age and held power in some form or another. The New Age Movement sort of followed the same pattern. In many cases it has not just been mainstreamed to oblivion, as it might seem, but has been absorbed into a new establishment (e.g. http://globalspirit.org/pages/wc_councils.php). A lot of these people are pushing real disinformation, and really do drive certain memes into the public consciousness. These people, too, like the CNP of your earlier post, are members and heads of thinktanks, that, when it comes down to it, merely function as councils of elite philosopher kings for those who govern.

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  3. Just thought I'd add that a particular descriptive term Webb used throughout his series was "illuminated politics." By this he meant those who were overly influenced by all manner of occultism (or esotericism) as well as those who were swayed by traditional religious beliefs. The Dominionists and the Malthusian Environmental militants are both irrational and dangerous.

    Millenarianism may well be the common denominator in movements of the crazy and dangerous whack-job ilk.

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  4. when I was up to my tits in conspir. theory, and was a member of the no planes group 911movement forums, I got really into looking at the occult symbolism surrounding the events of '9/11', but also the UK '7/7(7)' bombings too, and then saw this shit even in the numerology of World War 1, the space programme, etc etc--so it seems very clear that an elite group(s) are into all this occult shit!

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  5. ...and coincidentally I have just noticed info about this book from one of the blogs I follow:
    THE SECRET KING: The Myth and Reality of Nazi Occultism - by Stephen E. Flowers and Michael Moynihan
    http://unusualbooks-koma.blogspot.com/2010/09/secret-king-myth-and-reality-of-nazi.html

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  6. As someone working in the music industry, I appreciate how you've been debunking the strangely common “Illuminati creates Top 40 Pop Songs” urban legend.


    Do people seriously sit around thinking up reasons why “Right Round” by Flo Rida is a part of a complex ancient plot to overthrow Western Civilization?





    Although I must admit, most songwriters/artists get a kick out of 'them theories!


    “Hey, look here - according to the internet I'm a member of the Illuminati. That's weird, I don't remember receiving a formal invitation. Should I call my manager? I wonder if it's like membership to the Academy; like, do I vote on Illuminati the agenda? Or is it some-sort of Guild?”




    PS:


    Have you seen the movie “Josie and the Pussycats”?


    The remake from 2001?


    It failed at the box-office and faded into obscurity rather quickly.


    Well, the main plot of the movie was the CIA teamed up with Corporations to brainwash the youth of American. At the climax of the movie, a group of foreign investors are given a tour of the government’s “Pop-Culture” facility. They are shown a short film explaining the program:


    "Hello, I'm Eugene Levy. And yes, I'm an Actor. No, I said cappuccino. I'm here to talk to you about something very important. And no, it's not about me or my career. I'm here to talk about subliminal messages in rock and roll music. Or as it's simply known in some cultures, 'rock music'. You see, for years the government has been wisely coercing teenagers to buy products they normally wouldn't want, just to get their money. Fact! Kids don't have bills to pay. Fact! They don't pay taxes. But! They do babysit and hold minimum wage jobs that earn them wads of cash as substantial as, well, my body of work. But kids today aren't dumb. They're not gonna buy just anything. That's why the government has been planting small subliminal advertising suggestions in today's rock music. The results? We can now get these kids to buy just about anything. We can have them chasing a new trend every week. And that is good for the economy. And what's good for the economy... is good for the country. So God bless the United States Of America - the most ass-kickin' country... in the world!"


    .......

    Btw, there's a very creepy 9/11 sync in the film. The WTCs are shown with numerous Corporate logos emblazoned on them. As the Josie and the Pussycats private jet zips past. [Unnecessary advertisements was a running them throughout the movie].

    Earlier in the film the government assassinated a popular boy-band by crashing their plane.

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  7. Interesting synochronicity here, as I just placed the exact same nazi catholics photo on my arrest the pope myspace a few days ago!


    I would second the recommendation for Occult Roots of Nazism, as it is probably the most academically credible source on the subject. I don't think that the Nazis outlawing localized occult practices necessarily leads to them
    not being occultists themsleves. Since there is such an extensively documented history of their love affair with Germanic paganism, it seems more like they were trying to consolidate esoteric knowledge, much like your typical guru who enforces celibacy amongst his followers yet simultaneously has a harem of female admirers. The Nazis had their fingers in a lot of pies--socialism, Darwinism, Catholicism, paganism. Basically any means by which to grab power for themselves.


    This is an interesting topic though, because the hysteria of evangelical Christian authors like Texe Marrs have long been a source of amusement for me. I think he has done some good work in exposing satanic/religious ritual abuse and its connection to military sponsored mind control programs. Unfortunately, this work is also accompanied by some of the most dogmatic, irrational smear campaigns against musicians and celebrities, to the point where it almost seems like a parody.


    As for the war against occultism,
    wouldn't the Catholic church qualify since their entire iconography is based on polytheism? I think there needs to be a short hand way to differentiate between occult in the sense of localized spiritual movements and occult in the sense of powerful, elite organizations such as the Bohemian Grove.



    Regarding Vigilant Citizen, I have personally sensed a lot of right wing, fundamentalist sentiments in his writings despite claims to the contrary. For example, he was recently on the David Icke forum (username Vigilant) talking about how child brides and genital mutilation were valid and acceptable cultural practices in Islamic religion. Yes, really. Actually, most of the child brides discussion took place on the VC forum. He claims that these ideas are about religious tolerance yet I think that this actually just makes Muslims look bad since many of them have abandoned these aspects of tradition. It can be disturbing at times to see who my "allies" are in the conspiracy research world. :/

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  8. oops. Actually the photo I mentioned is a different priest yet the photo looks almost exactly the same.

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  9. Just went back to the VC forum to reread the discussion about child brides and the thread has been deleted. hmmm.

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  10. Doesn't occult just mean 'hidden knowledge'?
    - so much of what was once considered as occult is no longer strictly occult - it is now mainstream.

    Weird how so much 'hidden knowledge' (occult) has now become mainstream - possibly thanks to those that do a lot of digging?

    Like you said Chris governments have their secrets and I am sure the Pope does too.

    I may be wrong but I think that when it comes to 'hidden knowledge' (occult) of the paranormal - it gets referred to as 'Black Box' by some in the know as opposed to 'occult'.

    The bottom line of what I am trying to say is that occult just means secrets.

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  11. and the really funny part is that actually if you think about it...if you think that know what someone really means when they refer to something being 'occult' then it is ex-occult and no longer occult at all.
    Not that well explained but I hope you get me. We don't know what occult really is do we - as it is hidden knowledge. We do however know what was once occult but is no longer.

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  12. The tea party is a false flag. The poster who wrote that is correct.

    As for the rest...Cumbey is a deceiver in my opinion, another set up, her blog is filled with praises/defenses for the Pope and other distractions and decoy antichrists--don't know if she is still going on about Solano or not. How does that connect to all the warnings about the "New Age"? Well she is another one that has the evangelicals fooled. I know those who have gotten banned from her website for posting information on the Catholic church. Here is how the game is played, you have the two opposites who fight, lets say Phelps [who warns about the Jesuits and tells some truths but sprinkles in lies--such as his weird "fifth monarchy" and "racial" stuff that comes right from the Jesuit hand book, and Constance Cumbey, who warns about the "New Age" but hangs out on EWTN, with priests and others helping the antichrist system through the backdoor.

    Google Constance Cumbey and "Father" Mitch Pacwa.


    Regarding Constance Cumbey you may find this post of interest considering the Roman Catholic church:
    http://cumbey.blogspot.com/2005/04/of-catholic-bashing-and-of-protestant.html

    As for the openly luciferian pop stars, they know now they can get away with making their allegiance to Satan open and direct. Why are you surprised at their "success"?> Satan is the prince of the air of this world and most are deceived.
    The "mind controlled" celebrities come out of a satanic system and many are "chosen" even as children.

    Maitreya, is most likely a decoy antichrist figure, meant to point away from the real guy.

    Most of the Christians knowing their exposes of Satanic artists will be only for the few. Most will enjoy the brainwashing and programming that has led to the acceptance of such filth. But even then some who expose have an agenda while pointing to other lies while some do it sincerely.

    And you are correct, that the Nazis did have a cozy relationship with the church, the occultism of the Nazis does go hand in hand with churches that lost the plot long ago. We see this today in the fallen away churches and their worship of mammon and love of marrying church and state.

    Texe Marrs is another one known to mix truth and lies, I find it interesting how he focuses constantly on the "Jews" [sabbateans] and only rarely ever takes on the Vatican. His odd relationship with Alex Jones, [an obvious false flag exposer if there ever was one, also brings up many questions. He has been a guest many times on his show.

    Realize, there are many deceivers out there, who expose somethings that are true, while introducing other lies, and playing cover-up for certain entities.

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  13. Now, under the understanding that 'occult' refers to hidden, I would say the Nazi regime was entrenched in secrecy, secret alliances, and secret high technology (magick).

    From looking at both sides of the story, one could almost go schitzo trying to reconcile their bed-fellows & the conflicting paradigm it creates.

    It seems the Nazi's were perpetuating the desires of The Royals (not churchill), and the vatican. (they seemingly turned on both).

    I have read to many conflicting points of view on this, but, this may be evidence that there was more than one agenda being perpetuated.

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  14. Can I just say that I do not have a problem with governments or secret societies having secret knowledge or even running the show. I don't even have a problem with a one world government if it could be pulled off but in reality I doubt it could peacefully and I think the world would be in danger of becoming artificial or worse like George Orwells '1984' novel. After years of conspiracy theories about a 'new world order' planning on making the world as it is in 1984 - the New World Order becomes a reality and is all over the news. Gordon Brown (ex-prime minister of Britain) was on TV shaking hands with them. Is now a good time for talking about a OWG and a NWO? with all the predictions and prophecies?
    I don't want my kids to either die young in a WW3 or grown up in a prison camp that is any worse than the one we are already in. I pray for my kids and for their future.

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  15. Great article and research. Think you!

    Where did you get the idea that the purpose behind the videos and discussions over the obvious "mystic" symbolism in many of the mega - hit pop music videos was to overthrow the "New World Order" and make those pop stars lose money?

    Some of the folks on the Forum I Admin for look at that stuff - but in the larger context of synchronicity in general. Maybe some Christians see the "devil's work" in it, but I see it as political and cultural.

    There may be a programmatic agenda to discredit the "occult" in the minds of the fundies. But that is really old news.

    The symbolics might be "revelation of method" - putting stuff in people's face for the humor factor. But I doubt people who study this actually believe that by doing the study they will ruin said stars popularity.

    Everyone knows that the "evil" personae is what has been cultivated for popularity in our culture. And the activist or "change the world" person is constantly ridiculed.

    I thought the purpose was more reasonable - to show that those "stars" who are pushed by the "powers - that - be" are in some weird cult with their masters, and that is why they are no more talented than any of their rivals but are nevertheless pushed to the top.

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  16. It is easier in order to get heads round this rabbit hole--is to dig that you got the demon-izing christians (who in their history have managed to demonize women, cats. standing stones, music, dancing, we KNOW bout sex, laughing---cetra. twas they whoe created the 'Devil'!)
    amd you got TWO forms of paganism---earth-positive/life-affirming, and earth-negative which seeks escape from nature, and/or a 'putting it right' (Aurobindo is good example)
    And lets not forget the official materialistic scenario we are all inducted in.

    Now the Christians are against BOTH forms of paganism though they themselves share in (derive FROM)the 'sentiments' of the earth-negative brand of paganism, but they will not STAND for competition you'll

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  17. Re: Nazi Occultism- mythology and symbolism taken from German paganism don't qualify as "occult," especially since Richard Wagner- a devout Christian- had made these themes the pinnacle of mainstream German culture.

    The only one in the Nazi high echelon who could be construed as an occultist- and even that's open to interpretation- is Himmler, who was despised by the rest of the power structure. The rites of the SS were based on the Teutonic Knights, not the Masons or the OTO.

    The Nazis grew up in the ferment of fin de sicle Germany which was rife with occultism - hence the "roots" aspect of Goodrick-Clarke's work- but they went of their way to wipe of all of it out- especially the occult racialists- as soon as they took power and aggressively pushed Christianity as the official cult of state, albeit a highly Germanized version. The clergy who were hassled were dissidents, as we saw with Constantine.

    Marg- I was referring specifically to the religious aspect of this, not the Synchromystics.

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  18. I guess this need to be looked at in more detail, which unfortunately I do not have time right now.

    I need to get the complete works of Mae Brussell.

    Also, since I believe most of history is, in any case, falsified, please excuse me for not accepting your read on it, Christopher, right away - without looking more closely myself.

    Just in the first paragraph of this:

    http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm

    "Hitler's Christianity"

    When the author quotes the actual "Constitution" of the Nazi, in the first paragraph:

    "The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession...."

    "positive Christianity" implies there is unacceptable Christianity. It doesn't sound to be the words of someone who is an actual Christian. But words of those who allow Christianity for those they rule.

    I think the selection "damms with weak praise."

    I get my info from the great political researcher Mae Brussell. She's been right on everything, when others are always not seeing the obvious, on the big political picture. Mae made a speciality of researching the Nazi. And believed that the roots of the modern problem in America was their importation in the 1940's.

    According to Mae, the paganistic, secret society, ritualistic , "Black Magic" roots in Nazi - ism were well known and were barred from mention into the trials at Nuremberg.

    If the secret societies are secret is it a surprise that the connection would be obscured and covered with a lukewarm ostensible "Christianity?"

    Yeah, They were Christian - with giant Swastika behind their heads.

    Also, it doesn't strike me that the Nazi connection to the Vatican and certain high placed religious Church "authorities" proves the Nazi were Christian.

    From the other side, it looks as though the "Christian" authorities of the "Roman" Church themselves covered their true allegiance to secret societies with fish hat Mitre, Aegis capes and oddly crooked staff. And that the Church was "Nazi" (or some of it). (Obviously shown by the passports given to prominent Nazi for passage to South American at the end of the War) Not that the Nazi were "Christian."

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  19. As far as Hitler speeches go, in terms of evidence on way or another:

    Hitler coined the term "BIG LIE!"

    I can't rely upon speeches of Hitler himself to prove much of anything about Hitler's true beliefs. Since his word cannot be relied upon.

    Even an ordinary politician - I am not believing what he says. Do people still believe Obama? I never did.

    Best,
    "PC"

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  20. All of our religions come from ancient sources that we now call "Pagan." All of the symbolism has hidden roots. But that's not occultism. I hope everyone clicks on those links and sees the proof. The sad fact is that all of the anti-Christian memes we see today in regard to the Nazis are pure revisionism. It's all in the record.

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  21. So basically the occult as satanism relies on a Solar "divide and average" sacred geometry -- the whole Golden Mean b.s. The Golden Ratio is both the beginning and end of Western science as occultism. Christianity is just like Brahminism, Judaism, Zorastrianism -- they're all Solar mystic magic based on the priesthood separation from females.

    This goes way back -- but to escape the false dichotomy of occult versus Christian rationalism as imperialism then you have to understand the concept of complementary opposite harmonic resonance.

    I'm talking about music but nonwestern music -- as the secret of alchemical healing. To return back to pop culture it's the equivalent of the 3rd level of subconscious discussed in Inception -- it's also the "rainbow" DMT hyperspace of the alternative New Age drug scene. haha.

    In science this is called biophotons mades from quantum diffraction gradients. http://www.viewzone.com/dnax.html

    That's an excellent new article on the subject -- this is science now! Auras are science. Of course PZ Myers (who banned me from all the SEED science blogs) would vehemently disagree but mainstream science is corporate-state fascist b.s. (Myers worships Richard Dawkins and his secret nanobiomotor synthetic ecology sacred geometry). So there is a hidden occult underbelly to science just as there was a hidden occult foundation to the Nazis.

    In my Christian middle school, newly transferred from public inner city school, I presented a paper: "Why rock music is NOT satanic." haha. This girl liked me and so she argued that I was wrong -- rock music is satanic -- this was when the whole "reverse speech" deal was the rage in the Christian scene.

    Now I argue that ALL Western music is evil -- whether it's the early "divide and average" church music or the logarithmic equal-tempered tuning. Music works through the cerebellum as Daniel Levitin has documented -- the reptilian brain as the cerebellum processes our subconscious emotions and also controls our movements. This is why Plato outlawed the nonwestern modes of music, promoting the major scale for military marching and the minor scale as nostalgic, passive submissiveness.

    So the music of the West is the most powerful mind control -- whether it's Wagner or Lady Gaga. Whereas complementary opposite resonance is the real "occult" healing shamanic music. A good blog on this is by an anthropologist http://music000001.blogspot.com/

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  22. Its not just the Nazi regime.
    Oliver Cromwell and the civil war.
    I have noticed that Oli stands accused of being a freemason. As well as double crossing the UK and of being associated with the Rothschilds.

    Oliver Cromwells son-in-law John Wilkins wrote a book about mathmatical magick. The civil war kicked off the British army. There is some connection with Heidelberg there? Not sure what.

    Some say that Hitler was looking for artefacts. Such as the Holy Grail.
    (Even in India).

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/world-war-2/7961211/Hitler-had-Jewish-and-African-roots-DNA-tests-show.html

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  23. I understand your viewpoint on paganism vs occultism - however I would very much like to hear what you define as occultism , as im not quite agreeing with you based on my own projection of what youre saying.

    So for the benefit of me and others reading the post and following the site in general.

    What is the definition of occultism in the mind of chris ?

    ((i realise the concept and question are almost laughable but i think it would help people grasp your points))

    Occultism is generally thought to be the study of the hidden or un-seen , now im no expert on norse or germanic paganism however im pretty much 100% sure that it much like all old world systems in that it was hugely based on the observence of the un-seen realms.

    But if youre meaning it in a more social sense then I guess I understand.

    Also to add to that - there isn't much of a difference between technology and occult knowledge in its exoteric application. And this it seems from the work of many a researcher is precisely what was going on with the SS and their affiliates, They dont need to be 'occultists' to utilise and weaponise occult knowledge.

    While this article is obviously about alot more then nazism I noticed that it was a pointed side note that if it were not addressed in my own mind then it would be dis-honest of me.

    Thanks for getting me thinking as always and I quite understand if you dont want to try and define the term - just thought it might help.

    Dan

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  24. Well I've posted the first half of my message about 4 times now and it shows up on the comments page but then when I reload the secretsun blog the comment never shows up. So I don't know if it's getting censored (moderated) or what. I posted the whole thing over at my blog

    http://naturalresonancerevolution.blogspot.com/2010/09/beyond-christian-occult-false-paradigm.html

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  25. Chris I'm flattered that right after I plugged my blog with the current post as

    http://naturalresonancerevolution.blogspot.com/2010/09/extraterrestrial-aliens-are-false-flag.html

    You also point out the "false flag" as a succinct

    MEME

    O.K. Chris -- I'm against the use of "meme" --

    Chris there's some seriously deep philosophical issues to deal with here.

    First of all on the Nazis -- you'd better check out Ernest Haeckel and Monism -- Haeckel was a fake Darwinist and is proven to be the real foundation for the Nazi philosophy.

    Meme is the latest version of this "spiritual evolution" through rational science b.s. -- MEME comes from Richard Dawkins and it's explicitly based on the concept of ideas as the selfish gene. AKA ideas as memes are tools for survival of "might is right."

    Theosophy was "spiritual evolution" -- we're seeing the same B.S. with Pinchbeck promoting Arguelles.

    Chris -- obviously you're correct to emphasize that the Nazis relied on the Church and in turn the Pope enabled the Nazi International to continue. As I stated I went to a Christian high school but my first year of college was at Hampshire (in Amherst) -- NO GRADES. So I took a class on the Weimar republic -- literature and politics combined. My paper topic -- 1989 -- was the secret support of the Nazis by the Christian church.

    So the Church versus the New Age occult is definitely a false flag but if you want to break out of it -- read "In Search of the Miraculous" by Gurdjieff. Sure that book is greatly misunderstood so to really understand it then read "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" by Charles Luk.

    Western occultism as satanism is definitely real -- via Crowley, the Freemasons, the Templars and before that the Benedictine NeoPlatonic monks (John Scotus Erigena of the 9th C. created this movement, as Professor David F. Noble details in his "Religion of Technology" classic).

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  26. Whatever I tried it again -- and it doesn't show up. I'm against copyright though as well. So I've said my bit -- I'm not part of the "synchromystic" scene -- I'm a bit too radical for it. Still it was fun while it lasted.

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  27. "now im no expert on norse or germanic paganism however im pretty much 100% sure that it much like all old world systems in that it was hugely based on the observence of the un-seen realms."

    As are all belief systems, right? Christianity or Judaism or Islam are no different.

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  28. Well that seems a bit smarmy but of course youre right - and im sure you know what my point was but thought it was more fun to mirror it , and youre probably right there to :D

    I look forward to your replies to people later :)

    dan

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  29. Spiral- please read the directions before you post. Blogger thinks you're a spammer and your comments were caught in the spam queue. You might want to contact them.

    Guys- I only bounce trolls, most of whom post anonymously anyway. I would never bounce a regular poster without warning, unless a post was really egregious.

    Blogger has institute a spam filter that is very buggy and tends to bounce comments without rhyme or reason. As I say in the comments form, email me if your comment doesn't show up.

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  30. WHOA! Info overload, LOL! Loved this post Mr. Knowles. Very cool information and some stuff I had not thought I would see. This brings to question some of the weird (and wrong) stuff on other sites, the topics of Antichristos (say that with a deep low voice, LOL) and false prophet. These two don't seem to be what is "out there". Monsters and aliens seem, to me, to be the order of the day, LOL. It has also, seemed to me, to be a script that "they" are trying to bring about. Doesn't seem to be working well. Anyway, enough of my ramblings. Really loved this post and really enjoy your thoughts on things. Oh yeah, almost forgot, anyone see the tornado that ripped through New York?

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  31. brings to mind the 2Live Crew "Me So Horny" days, and their faux Supreme Court case, the controversy it stirred, and people fanatically defending them. [enter gangsta rap] the perfect segue.

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  32. Hitler and the Mandrake....?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mao0F2qvccs

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  33. As far as musicians/pop stars, you alluded to the anti-heavy metal campaign in the 80s. But as a student in a Christian school, it was well under way even before heavy metal became the rage. My teachers/preachers were going on about ABBA--for Christ's sakes! And there were the easy ones: Alice Cooper, Ozzy, etc. All evil, all with a plan to warp our children and send us to hell. If someone was popular, there had to be an occult connection.

    Actually, some of it frightened me (I was just a kid, after all). But I remember clearly when that changed. I was a huge fan of the "Wonder Woman" TV show and had a very gay crush on actress Linda Carter. But when these people tried to convince me that she was actually an evil witch in league with Satan and, get this, had "666" tattooed on her boob as evidence--that was the end. Seriously? I can think of many, many worse things than Linda Carter's portrayal of Wonder Woman. But naturally, the Christians don't want women to have any power or confidence or abilities, so they had to oppose that TV show.

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  34. "mythology and symbolism taken from German paganism don't qualify as 'occult,'"

    OK, pagan myth and symbolism doesn't qualify as "occult." Gotcha. And the entirety of so-called Ariosophy wasn't occult, either. And these influences - the occultism in the völkisch movement as well - had no impact upon official policy.

    "The only one in the Nazi high echelon who could be construed as an occultist ... is Himmler"

    So one has to be in the "high echelon" for it to be a legitimate influence, to have any practical effect?

    Karl Maria Wiligut: SS Brigadeführer; head of the "Department for Pre- and Early history within the Race and Settlement Main Office" for the SS; on Himmler's personal staff, dubbed "Himmler's Rasputin"; Schlaraffia member; a promulgator of "Irminism."

    Gregor Schwartz-Bostunitsch: SS-Standartenführer; Anthroposophy, Ariosophy, Theosophy; worked for the notorious Alfred Rosenberg and became an ardent follower of the Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevic world conspiracy theory.

    Otto Rahn: SS Obersturmführer; Holy Grail and Lucifer nonesense; obsessed with the Gnostics and Cathars. (I realize you don't consider gnosticism occult, but that doesn't change the fact that, it, along with the kabbalah, is the edifice of much of western "esotericism".)

    "they went of their way to wipe of all of it out- especially the occult racialists"

    Out of cover-up and embarrasment, as well as to exterminate potential rivals of officialdom.

    " soon as they took power and aggressively pushed Christianity"

    Opportunists. Appease the public; as well as the power of the Church. Public and private are different things. (On Hitler's view of christianity, see here and here). Eventually the church was to be destroyed (in particular, especially see here and here).

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  35. Right! - I am coming clean...
    I met a man called Africa when I was living in Ibiza - who told me that his father (also called Africa) had sent him out on a cruise ship for a while (2-3 month cruise) to make a decision about becoming a member of a secret society that had a lot of control - or should I say controlled things such as music and football. Africa (his father) was apparently the godfather of Hip Hop and Africa that I met had something to do with Ice T. Anyway that was years ago now (1995) and at the time I just thought well someone's got to create stuff - and it sounds well organised.

    anyway I emailed that story to someone recently and they knew who I was talking about and this was their reply...

    I'm a little confused Cindy, is that your story? The bit about Hip Hop beng created rings true. I would assume the father's name was Afrika with a k, as in Afrika Bambaataa. As you can see in the linked video he was credited with being one of the 'creators' of Hip Hop along with 'Grand Master' Flash and the Furious 'Five'. Do you want to join an organisation that runs the world? Is that how they do it?

    Now I just hope that what they do is for the good of mankind. Funny how 'Grand Master' Flash is tied into that though. Sounds like Freemason stuff to me - but as always - who know?

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  36. Pope's astronomer says he would baptise an alien...

    Consolmagno curates the pope's meteorite collection and is a trained astronomer and planetary scientist at the Vatican's observatory. He dismissed the ideas of intelligent design – a pseudoscientific version of creationism. "The word has been hijacked by a narrow group of creationist fundamentalists in America to mean something it didn't originally mean at all. It's another form of the God of the gaps. It's bad theology in that it turns God once again into the pagan god of thunder and lightning."

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  37. I think by smarmy he means that sometimes your passion gets the better of you and you come across like a know-it-all.

    That's not meant as a jibe, I don't think you are a know-it-all, but sometimes you come across a bit over-the-top. I understand that as I too let my passions get the best of me.

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  38. While I agree that way too much has been made of the Nazi occult angle, I wouldn't go so far as to say that Hitler's beliefs had "nothing" to do with the occult. I think there were occult elements to Nazism, though they were comparatively minor. Jung certainly understood the esoteric nature of Nazism. So did Hitler when he designed the flag and swastika.

    He understood the power of the IMAGE (he was an art student after all)and the effect it had over the unconscious. That's about as esoteric as you can get.

    And I don't think there's any doubt that Himmler was deep into it.

    Just my 2 cents.

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  39. Anonymous--I agree with you.

    Christopher, I dont think, has given his definition of his of what he means by 'occult'--not in depth.

    For example--take someone 'mundane' like Edward Bernays who actually spell out in his book Propaganda that the 'masses' can be manipulated without them knowing it--for their own good. Now one could say, well how can that be an occultist statement if he has written it for public view? Well WHO is gonna read his book---I only even heard of Ed several years ago, and most people I have mentioned him have never heard of him.

    Now he used techniques that made people do things. That is 'results magick' isn't it? Dont the ad people use symbols and ting? Wouldn't past magickians be envious os such power?

    I am not discounting the other stuff, but isn't it a continuum with this---?

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  40. Wo-to-we, your comments are more innane by the day. Give it a break. This blog has flowed with Chris's spark for a long time. To have someone chime in with immature nonsense is in my opinion not with the flow. Do you understand this is not facebook? Disgruntled, Dennis from up-river.

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  42. It seems we're getting hung up on semantics here, vis a vis the definition of occult. I don't think of mythology or pseudoscience or some of the philosophical fads of the time as "occult". I'm talking about scrying, divination, trying to summon spirits or cast spells- basically your classic fin de sicle Occultism that Crowley exemplifies and that the Nazis went on the warpath against. Look at our homegrown fascists and their attitudes towards the occult- the mindset is the same and they're always whipping up hysteria. It could become very dangerous if the economic situation here- and around the world- continues to deteriorate.

    I can tell this post touched some nerves out there and that's good. It's important to challenge preconceptions. But please stick to the facts and most especially stick to the topics. There's always room for a wide range of opinions and viewpoints here, but let's deal with the issues at hand and keep personal issues out of it.

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  43. Sorry Dennis - you really must be missing what it is that I am saying. Probably my fault. The NWO is a creation of the illuminate (which includeds the Rothschilds) and so was Hitler. Is music as well? is Holywood? All the talk would suggest it is but there is no way of knowing for sure. I have just told you who the Godfather of Hip Hop is - and I have just told you that he didn't create it - he was told that he was going to be the creator and was presented with it to feed to the masses. Now how is that innane??? It is what I call contributing what I have got to contribute. If you don't like what I have got to say then please don't read my comments.

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  44. Terry =two points here. First your counterclaims on the Nazi Occult issue are all based on the SS- meaning you cited a handful of Himmler cronies, even though I already mentioned that Himmler was the outlier within the party. So the fact that this his lieutenants shared his enthusiasms says nothing at all about the rest of the Party.

    As to the Hitler Church issue- it's clear that Hitler wanted the Church to be subservient to the Party (similar to China today), So I guess some might see that as planning to wreck the church, but the reality is that Christianity would remain the official creed of the Nazi Party.

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  45. I think what most people here are trying to express, and please excuse me if I misinterpret, is that all the world religions are in fact based on occultism, in the traditional sense of the word which means the consolidation of secret knowledge. Most western occultists, from Dee to Blavatsky to Crowley, would probably take issue with occultism being defined as divination, since Hermeticism, Cabala and Gnosticism were all integral aspects of their works. Besides, it is a well established fact that Hitler routinely consulted astrologers to make decisions about the war.


    I'm not trying to minimize the demonization of occultism because this certainly has a historical precedent which is currently being continued largely through the conspiracy research genre.
    I agree with what is being said here about this but at the same time don't want to minimize the reality of powerful occult organizations, often existing within the confines of Christianity, because of their inordinate influence on the global power structure. Ultimately both mainstream religion and its occult counterpart are what you make of them and there are good people on both sides, which tend to be more interconnected than people want to acknowledge, imho.

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  46. I bet we all sound really innane to those in the know - those that have all the knowledge. They must think we are really ignorant. I feel it!

    Doesn't religion come from the Sumerian Tablets? and the Book of Dead? Isn't it just like a manual of how to avoid bad energy? Isn't sin just various ways of creating bad energy?

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  47. Here's the fascinating thing- most of the people here would be pigeonholed as "new agers" or "occultists" by Fundamentalists and yet there's an astonishing range of viewpoints on these issues (even on the ontology of occultism). This is why you could never have any esoteric discipline as a globalist religion- for every 10 esotericists you have 49 opinions on any given topic. Even though Christians fight over politics and doctrine, nearly all still agree on the Nicene Creed (or Apostle's Creed as it was inaccurately called in my church), and the basic cosmology is essentially the same. And when you get into the reductive creeds that are increasingly dominate global xianity, the differences get even more trivial (which makes them all the more hard-fought).

    That ties back to the basic argument of this series and in our next installment we'll discuss why it matters.

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  48. Greets Mr. Knowles,

    you know I'm a big fan of your work, however, for the first time you've lost me in your logic on the Nazi Occult!?!

    Non-NAZI occultists were suppressed by NAZI's therefore NAZI's had no occult practitioners in the party!

    Please correct me if I missread!

    Also:
    What's your take of the NAZI Executives' connections to the "Order of the New Templar" ?


    ~SE~

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  49. As we've discussed, Strangey, the Nazi Occult meme essentially boils down to Himmler and his immediate entourage. I recommend everyone check out Mitch Horowitz's Occult America on this topic as well. Here's a quote from Manvell and Frankel's biography of Hess:

    Only one strange aspect of this strange affair remained to be enacted – Hitler’s purge of the astrologers… Most of the Aktion Hess arrests took place on 9 June 1941. On 6-7 June Bormann had issued a decree to Gauleiters aimed not only against astrologers but faith-healers, fortune-tellers, clairvoyants, graphologists, and even Christian Scientists and Rudolf Steiner’s Anthroposophists – in fact, all practitioners in the medical or psychological sphere who might be described as unqualified practitioners, whether working professionally for money or as amateurs without gain. All these people were held to be actual or potential enemies of the Reich… At the same time, their libraries were confiscated, and the circulation of occult literature was forbidden.

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  50. THis is a very important topic, since it speaks to how some form an emotional investment into mythology:

    Thirdly, the importance of an ideological movement to a regime can also be deduced from how its ideologues and organizations fared under that regime. The case of organized neo-Pagan or otherwise unconventional religions, such as Odinists and Rudolf Steiner's Anthroposophists, was clear enough: eventhough some of their votaries certainly fell in with majority opinion and welcomed the Third Reich, their societies were officially disbanded in 1935. In subsequent years, their discreetly continued functioning was effectively stopped and many of their spokesmen were arrested, along with astrologers, runemasters and other occultists. One occasion for a serious crackdown on this whole witches' brood was the embarrassing flight to Great Britain of Rudolf Hess, a known consulter of alternative therapists.

    More generally, the tough-minded Nazi leadership associated religious eccentrics with anarchism, anti-social attitudes, anti-modern nostalgias, regional chauvinisms, cosmopolitanism, xenophilia, and navel-gazing unfitness for military service.

    To exaggerate a little: in the list of groups singled out for persecution, Jews and Gypsies and homosexuals should be followed by diviners and heathens.

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  51. Contrary to the neo-myth of "the occult roots of Nazism", the secularist Nazis weren't too fond of this type at all. But how about the subtler cases investigated here by Prof. Poewe? As she herself notes in discussing the case of librarian Erwin Ackerknecht: "Like most völkisch thinkers who outlived their usefulness, Ackerknecht eventually fell into disfavour with some Nazis." (p.24)

    This suggests that their role was temporary and instrumental. They were used in the initial conquest of German public opinion to win certain intellectually restless segments over, and discarded as soon as the regime felt strong enough to impose increasing uniformity and push all these unruly eccentrics back into their corners. Hauer fell from grace too: in 1936 he was removed from the chair of his own German Faith Movement. He was not imprisoned, to be sure, but he was sidelined and never reached the top. Nor did any similar ideologue. This doesn't alter the record of Hauer's anti-Christian doctrines or of his embracing National-Socialism, but neither is it consistent with the suggestion that people like he were the ones who shaped the ideological face of the Nazi regime.

    http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/

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  52. @Chris K,

    Yes, you've got no argument from me on the facts presented, however, I fail to see how their [NAZI's] systematic destruction of occult groups and practitioners in the realm proves anything other than a belief in occult practice!?!
    Essentially, they wouldn't have destroyed them and banned the public study of occult material if they did not fear them.

    If they feared them, then they had some sort of belief in the liberating effects of occult study.

    And I still fail to see how the highly occult "Order of the New Templar" which designed the enormously infamous swastika flag, based on occult theory, for the NAZI party does not equate to "occult connections" or high-level acceptance of CERTAIN occult groups...

    Which also leads to the logic argument that the systematic annihilation of outside occult groups and material could have been a matter of "we're in charge therefore only OUR [NAZI] occult theories and practices are acceptable and all others are inferior and outlawed".

    Really, i'm just hoping you'll beef up the logic behind the argument that they were 'not at all occult practicioners'.


    ~SE~

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  53. The mainstream "mass" culture is rapidly disappearing.

    It's hard to accept that there are patterns IN the chaos.

    What you have to dismantle first is your own worldview, which most "conspiracy theorists" neglect to do.

    It's not easy to cut through ten millenia of competing cons.

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  54. @Nick,

    What you have to dismantle first is your own worldview, which most "conspiracy theorists" neglect to do.

    So VERY VERY true!

    Basically, to really SEE the world and the "con" underneath, you have to first un-learn all that you've been taught. Not so easy to do!
    But it begins by simply accepting within your own mind that EVERYTHING not proven by YOU yourself is (may be) a lie. Accept NOTHING as factual unless you yourself have tested it and proven it to be true/truth.

    A momentous task certain to take a lifetime!

    ~SE~

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  55. If there's one thing an economic downturn should bring to our immediate attention it is just how easy it is for our 'intellectual neighbors' to prostitute their Curriculum Vitae for the dollars they require to maintain their own households!

    When presented with the choice of loss of job, status, and income versus arguing a specific side of a topic - Not a hard decision to make and one they can not really be faulted for!

    Basically, any Ph.D or "accredited researcher" can say anything at all, for any given reason in the moment, but simply saying it does not make it truth! Nor does the fact that a Ph.D. or previously well-versed researcher saying it make it "truth".

    Again, hearing ANYTHING second-hand is simply "hearsay" until you prove it to yourself (if at all possible!)


    ~SE~

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  56. Just a quick note from Oceanic Passion here. I'm well aware of this war as a Wiccan. Before becoming President, George W. Bush promised a group of Texas Pastors that he'd outlaw my religion. The war is ON!

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  57. @Chris K,

    Though it has been nearly 2 decades since I was immersed in an historical deconstruction of the NAZI Party and some of the exact facts uncovered escape me, I do happen to recall one of my main conclusions - and that would go something like this -
    that while the NAZI Party were not-so-much Occult Practitioners in the modern sense of the term (and our modern accepted meaning of it) however they were most definitely practicing and testing certain "arts" that came from 'Occult Practitioners' and sources.

    In fact, I would personally go so far as to strongly propose that a "publicly-unstated yet primary goal" of the NAZI Party was in fact to conquer and acquire by force various occult treasures throughout Europe and Africa that had perhaps escaped the Roman Church's purges of such material in the trials and days of the 2 previous millenia.

    The "Occult Treasures", and by extension rituals, documentations and manuscripts, were then put to the scientific test by the NAZI's vast intellectual and scientific departments. Those that were tested and found to be useful were kept (and perhaps even employed by select members of the "NAZI Executive and Elite") and those that were tested and found to be false - or those that they were unable to scientifically note or prove any noticeable effect from - were discarded.

    ... and it is for that reason that "the occult", to use a general and generic term for it, under the NAZI Party was systematically infiltrated and destroyed.


    ~SE~

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  58. With all this criticism of conspiracy research (my own included) I just have to point out that the so-called tin foil hat people are often on the cutting edge of awareness regarding mass social control strategies.


    For example, Fritz Springmeier, one of the main sources for Texe Mars, has written extensively about how both occult and Christian organizations were employed in the develoment of intelligence agency funded brainwashing programs. One of the
    common traits linking these groups was the presence of horrific child abuse, particularly child pornography. So isn't it interesting that mainstream news has been reporting that the Pentagon declined to investigate
    264 of their own employees implicated in a kiddie porn ring? So why no national uproar despite the fact that this story first emerged several months ago? Oh, right. People are too busy wringing their hands about music videos with pentagrams and women in bikinis!

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  59. @Chris K,

    First and Foremost:
    I want to clarify beyond ANY doubt that I am BY NO MEANS impuning YOUR integrity in these matters!!!

    Some of the sources that are available today for us to use for intellectual review... well that's another matter entirely!!


    And though it has been nearly 2 decades since I was immersed in an historical deconstruction of the NAZI Party and some of the exact facts uncovered escape me, I do happen to recall one of my main conclusions - and that would go something like this -
    that while the NAZI Party were not-so-much Occult Practitioners in the modern sense of the term (and our modern accepted meaning of it) however that they were most definitely practicing and testing certain "arts" that came from 'Occult Practitioners' and sources.

    In fact, I would personally go so far as to strongly propose that a "publicly-unstated yet primary goal" of the NAZI Party was in fact to conquer and acquire by force various occult treasures throughout Europe and Africa that had perhaps escaped the Roman Church's purges of such material in the trials and days of the 2 previous millenia.

    The "Occult Treasures", and by extension rituals, documentations and manuscripts, were then put to the scientific test by the NAZI's vast intellectual and scientific departments. Those that were tested and found to be useful were kept (and perhaps even employed by select members of the "NAZI Executive and Elite") and those that were tested and found to be false - or those that they were unable to scientifically note or prove any noticeable effect from - were discarded.

    ... and it is for that reason that "the occult", to use a general and generic term for it, under the NAZI Party was systematically infiltrated and destroyed.


    ~SE~

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  60. @Strange Eye:

    I appreciate your comments. They simplified the discussion for me.

    Everyone's been throwing around Nazis/Occult/? Stuff around and I just got really confused.

    I guess I'm not really cut out for the complicated discussions.

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  61. @レベッカ

    and thank you for sense of humor and giving me another opportunity to laugh at myself!
    (Yah,yah... I know!)

    I had a good follow-up but for whatever reason blogger won't let it post. Hopefully Chris checks his blog email soon!

    and here's the first part of what blogger won't let post (tried 4 times... no go)


    @Chris K.

    First and Foremost:
    I want to clarify beyond ANY doubt that I am BY NO MEANS impuning YOUR integrity in these matters!!!

    Some of the sources that are available today for us to use for intellectual review... well that's another matter entirely!!


    ~SE~

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  62. Chris - we could back and forth all week with quotes and never get anywhere. The reams a data can be cherry-picked to emphasize any proclivity. Nuances are magnified because of specialization - in whatever direction. That's the nature of "his"-story.

    Perhaps I come across as rigid but I'm really not. You recommended Koenraad Elst, and I'm glad for that. He, in turn recommended Poewe, and I'll get her work as well. I also intend to get The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity, 1919-1945 to broaden my study. Ian Kershaw's mammoth 2-vol bio of Hitler are also on my list.

    But if I could offer one more critique of the present post. It concerns the list of "esotericists/occultists/New Agers." To me, the common denominator is that they are conspiracy theorists first and foremost. "Hidden history" enthusiasts is perhaps even more apt.

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  63. The main reason I included the Occult Nazi theme in this post is that while doing research for it I noticed that Cumbey, Marrs, Robertson et al all put forth the argument that Nazis were occultists and New Agers are occultists, therefore all New Agers are Nazis. That's essentially the central argument of a lot of the anti-New Age propaganda. Ridiculous on the face of it but the incredible, almost unimaginable financial resources of the religious right has made these fallacies a kind of de facto conventional wisdom through sheer repetition.

    Of course the problem is the exact opposite is true and that the same families and foundations that funded the Nazis are also deeply embedded into the modern religious right. So while the Occult Nazi meme makes for some fun theorizing (and great comics) it makes for terrible history and even worse politics.

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  64. Hey Chris, I don't have much to add to this conversation about Nazis and Occultism, although during the Pope's current visit to the UK he was really playing up the Nazi Atheist theme. And I have to say I find that to be pretty similar to the Nazi/Occult bit so popular in uber-conservative Christianity. Here's a BBC article about Ratzinger's "Nazis were Atheists" trope:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11332515

    Also, I just wanted to say that the new direction you're heading on this blog is awesome! I really love your work. Thanks for being even-keeled and willing to explore.

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  65. Whilst we are on the subject of Hitler and Jesus...Have you ever considered that they may have been people who were ex-members of a secret society? It would kind of explain some things don't you think?

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  66. Christopher, you are really hitting the hard ones lately.

    Regarding the Nazis, I would guess, judging by their amazing skill with mass symbolism, pageant, theater, et. (I heard that they learned everything from the Americans) that they had a very clear understanding of the power of symbols and myth, and perhaps by coming down on the "occult" they were simply squashing any competitive memes, much like Constantine and the Catholic Church did. The Church likes to have a monopoly on "witchcraft".

    I am reminded how George. W. Bush aligned himself very publicly with right wing religious conservatives, and yet there was a ton of rumors about his "occult" Skull & Bones activities, never proven. Sort of like Hitler, really. One wonders if some of that wasn't done to make him appear supernaturally powerful and unbeatable.

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  67. What does it prove that there are dozens of different flavors to the occult rainbow? That Satan has many paths to lead someone down a ditch? The foundations are all the same--seeking "new consciousness and Satan's lie in the gardens. The flavors of the occult ARE many but they all lead to hell.

    As for the apostles creed, no not every Christian follows it, reciting that God "exsists" is not actually showing that one is a born again Christian or actually a believer in Jesus Christ. Acts 19:15. Even the demons acknowledge Jesus Christ's exsistence or that heaven and hell exsist. I remember reciting the dead apostles creed in Catholic church it is meaningless in terms of dictating who is a Christian or not. To be frank most of the churches that hold to Rome's creeds, are daughters of the harlot.

    The poster talking about mass social control is on to something. Satan is taking this entire planet for a ride and that includes most of the Christian churches. I don't know if was on Fritz Springmerier's website where I read the dark "intelligence" forces considered churches "soft" targets but could accept that given the lack of discernment. They know they are EASY to mislead, and can conduct massive social control over the "Christians" as a whole. The non-Christians who see this here ARE not off the mark.

    Jesus Christ Himself warns in the Olivet Discourse [Matt 24] of the luciferian deception to come. That luciferian deception includes many deceivers and liars in pulpits. There are also many Bible warnings that lead to the reality that many "Christians" out there will be in name only and will serve Satan [as they did during the Inquisitions]

    The child-teen pedophile rings are related to the Satan worship, and that is the true story of what is going on in Roman Catholicism and why the Pope and the rest of them kept all the sex abusers under wraps. Even Malachi Martin [not that he is be fully trusted] hinted that the pedophile rings in the Catholic priesthood really were resultant from Satanic covens within the Catholic church. For those who have eyes to see, the Pope makes certain hand signals all the time to show what he is.[anything but a Christian] I saw a full blown masonic one in today's paper and then there is this one:
    http://www.novusordowatch.org/b16_in_mosque.jpg

    Try doing that with your hand, it is not accidentally but intentional.


    I find it absurd the theory that the Nazis believed themselves to be actual "Christians" [why wouldnt they have seen the churches as "soft targets" too and the pastors as "useful idiots" a la Stalin?] The Nazis were "KNIGHTS" in service to Rome for the Holocaust as an updated Inquisition. The powers that be are following the same game plan with the churches now using them for mass social control and to deceive millions to embrace tyranny.

    One thing about the deceivers while they do things behind closed doors they mock those they deceive.

    Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

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  68. Biblebeliever, your argument depends on who you mean by the 'real Christians'---So, who do you mean?

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  69. Matt 7:21.

    21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    Studying the Bible one learns there will be many counterfeit Christians especially in the last days.

    The "real Christians" are the people who are born again and have the Holy Spirit indwelling.
    1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?


    Many of the non-Christians here have the God-given conscience to discern evil in what you see as "Christian" [I did while I was UU] I just want you to know that what they teach and do is not what Jesus Christ taught. You ARE correct about the evil you see.

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  70. @Biblebeliever,

    you seem well versed in 'The Bible', so here's a few questions you may be able to clarify for me...

    What language did 'Jesus' teach in? (What language did he speak?)

    What language wwere the gospels and other books of The Bible originally authored in?


    ~SE~

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  71. Bible man, is'nt there forums for the quotations of scripture. I for one am sick and tired of such tomfoolery. To poison this blog with scripture is to me just plain wrong. Take your good book and become a missionary, maybe Africa will suit you. Dennis from up-river

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  72. @Biblebeliever,

    I am constantly amazed by 'fire and brimstone Christians' who haven't a clue about their own religion!

    Number ONE tenet of Christianity - ABOVE ALL, Love your neighbor.

    The Bible warns of deceptions, and yet to this very day, I can count on my hands how many Christians I've met throughout my life that are fluent in English, Latin, Greek, and Aramaic.

    Without being fluent in those languages, what on Earth would make you think you have the "correct translation" of the very core wordings of the religion you claim to be a follower of??

    Who is deceiving who??

    Learn first, speak later.


    ~SE~

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  73. Well, I am certainly no fan of evangelical Christianity, yet I think that the above commenters fail to give Bible Believer credit for his or her defense of the innocent children who were abused by Catholic priests. Jesus's teachings have often been interpreted as a call to help oppressed and marginalized people so, at least regarding this particular point, I would say that BB's comment fall entirely in line with
    the teachings of Christ. I am not a Christian myself, although I can certainly appreciate groups like the Catholic workers who advocate for peace, social justice and non hierarchical organization of the Church. So when it comes to issues like child abuse, church corruption and global governance, perhaps sometimes it is best to put aside our differences.

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  74. @Venusinpieces

    Anyone who stands for truth, love and civilized moral behavior should be lauded.

    ...Jesus's teachings have often been interpreted...

    and there's the 800lb gorilla.


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  75. Matt 7:21.

    21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    -----this is commensurate negative paganism, which is exactly where this myth comes from. It is cognate with the Orphic cult's belief that only those 'purified' will escape nature and go to a 'spiritual home'.

    Studying the Bible one learns there will be many counterfeit Christians especially in the last days.

    -------This is all the story you believe in. I cam calling it fantasy. It is typically patriarchal with its historical linear big climax end of time scenario.

    The "real Christians" are the people who are born again and have the Holy Spirit indwelling.
    1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

    ------Again this is no different from the Orphic/Gnostic belief that the body was a 'tomb' which trapped the 'Dionysos/divine spark, except your cult calls the body a "temple" rather than a tomb, though you still wanna get the hell out of it.


    Many of the non-Christians here have the God-given conscience to discern evil in what you see as "Christian" [I did while I was UU] I just want you to know that what they teach and do is not what Jesus Christ taught. You ARE correct about the evil you see.

    --------I dont see 'evil' I am just seeing stories we tell ourselves. Some are benign and some are toxic. A benign story would be a story tham makes you feel at home, and related to all species, others, and your feelings and sensuality, etc. A toxic myth is one that uses divide and control tactics which divide you from nature and your very body and being. And have you paranoid about 'evil' all the godamn time without seeing the REAL underlying roots of the problems.

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  76. Biblebeliever said: "Matt 7:21.

    21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

    So what happens when you enter--you bein so good an all ;)
    Does this mean you never come down to earth again?
    And what happens to those who can't get in??

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  77. Here we go-f word to all scripture.The inquisition moves foward every time we give any credence to all such tomfoolery. Break free, free your minds of slavery,torture(the cross), and all crimes inherent in xtianity. The Secret Sun has for years been delving into our synchromystic phenom. Why ruin it with scripture and fools with an stupid agenda of promoting insanity. Free your minds(soul) of anything that does not fit. The universal xtian church was in league with the Nazi's. No scripture will prove me otherwise. The United States fundemental churches are in league with Nazi's. That said F word dogma. Dennis from Up-river.

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  78. If you really believe in Jesus then surely you have got to ask yourself...how did he do that? and the only thing that I have ever found that comes close to answering that question is what would probably been occult in his day. Telluric energy, the etheric plane, divining, fasting, meditation, dowsing and I could go on and on but what I am saying is that all that stuff = occult. If you take a look at the way telluric energy works it explains a heck of a lot of stuff that is considered as Holy (such as why Saints hang out in caves and why some carry cauldrons, snakes and have hallos). It also explains the miracles and magic -
    Well that's my take on what it really means to believe in Jesus - I believe he knew all the hidden knowledge.

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  79. If we all knew everything there is to know about religion and all that there is to know about occult as well - then I think we would understand a lot more. The two go hand in hand - in many ways. To accept one and not the other creates a divide in my opinion, and ignorance. A war even. Even if you don't agree with everything that is said - to just listen to it and to try to understand it can be enough. To understand occult you really need to understand religion and vice versa. - Just my opinion.

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  80. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4PHVvf-CZ8&feature=player_embedded

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  81. As a refugee from the Christian paranoia wars, I am reminded that "occult" simply means "hidden". Most Christians are completely blind to the roots of religious symbolism.

    For example, they see every symbol like a goat to mean the devil AKA bad, and every symbol like the lamb to mean Jesus, AKA good. It rarely occurs to them that the sacrificial lamb and the scapegoat are one and the same, and this is the product of trying to take the bible "literally". To a fundamentalist Christian, everything is occult and hidden and evil, because he sees it that way, or is "blind".

    When in fact, these ancient archetypes are part of us, they are our birthright, not something to be feared. The devil's pitchfork is also Shiva's destroyer of illusion. God... lighten UP!

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  82. wow... what a long, careening digression... I never knew a Nazi party member, so I claim no personal knowledge of their actual belief in 'the occult' (however the hell we're defining that term at this point)...

    as for the 'bible thumping'... I am continually shocked that in the 'information age' we still have adults who believe that the bible and other such 'books' are actually literal accounts of specific events and people from the past... or worse, the literal word of 'jesus', 'mohammed' or 'god'... ALL major religions have, hidden in their elaborate allegories and cleverly woven tales, many useful and potentially enlightening tenets and lessons... however when these books are translated literally they become dangerously misleading...

    as for the 'conspiracy theories' regarding the use of certain 'occult symbolism' in pop culture... I believe that the point is being obscured due to this growing meme and the preconceived notions attached to it... an interesting question to me is what is the relevance of the beliefs held by some 'pop stars', 'star makers' and corporate heads... I can speak first hand of the beliefs held by some of these people that their use of many of these symbols and rituals are granting them the necessary power to accomplish this goals... to downplay this all as silly shock tactics is a dangerous thing... No, there is NO SECRET HANDSHAKE CLUB at the top of the music industry 'pyramid'... it's not a matter of various 'illuminists' flashing some secret signs to each other to communicate... it's a matter of the inherent power of certain symbols on the human psyche. what is occult and esoteric is the why and the how... but the real issue is that the message and meme of degenerative, disempowering, debased and immoral personal standards is being embedded deeply into our culture and society on a global scale through mainstream mass media. whatever the reason and whatever the cause, if you have children in this world, or if you have compassion for humanity (oh man, now I'm sounding 'new agey'... shit...) you are absolutely justified in being at least concerned with the direction that this is headed and curious of it's origins and agendas..

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  83. Agreed, DP. The thing is that that debasement you point out- the violence, the materialism, the greed, the dehumanization, the sexism,- was part and parcel of the culture a long, long time before this occult stuff showed up and strangely enough no one seemed to care much about it. To be frank, that's a lot more concerning to me than the symbolism, which is really just the cherry on top.

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  84. The "History" Channel seems to be the major source for popularizing so much of the "conspiracy" culture today. I don't know if it's just a ratings ploy as our society fractures or if there's some deliberate plot to muddy the waters and misdirect curious folks. Does anybody know if anyone has researched the History Channel or the production companies that crank out their "documentaries"?

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  85. How "New Agey" would it be to propose that in our collective run-up to the MAYA calendar end date of 12/21/2012 we are ALL going to experience, to varying degrees, an increase in our ability to "manifest" our thoughts and desires into this reflection we call reality?

    Those that think symbols are doing it for them are simply projecting a naturally occurring phenomenon onto a symbol. They are attributing something completely normal to a symbol rather than to themselves. Much in the same way as those sync-stars of "The Synch Whole Blog" might use the symbol of 421 or Jupiter - though some readers might believe that symbol use to really mean a belief in the ancient roman and greek god persona of "Jupiter / Zeus", it is actually just a symbol of something occuring within that is then manifesting itself in our shared reality. The scope and scale of the effect or effectiveness of our projections are governed by the depths our psychic and spiritual connections to each other and the world around us.

    ... and since all "science is MAGIC" to those not familiar with its intricacies and precepts, it all appears, for all intents and purposes, to be magical in origin and nature.



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  86. ... or as our resident shaman at "The Synch Whole" blog might phrase it...

    "All is Vapor!"


    ~SE~

    Word Verification synch: kintin !
    Tin being the metal of Jupiter / Zeus, kin meaning "in the family of" or "related to"

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  87. One aspect that I have always found to be rather strange about the whole new age ethos is the way that many people in that world idealize polytheistic cultures that were, realistically, just as bloodthirsty and dogmatic as any society monotheishm has been associated with. The Mayans are a good case in point, considering that they were a strictly authoritarian society whose priest class regularly practiced ritual human sacrifice. Why exactly are people so eager to model their worldview after them or, for that matter, the Hebrews, who were polygamists that thought women were inferior creations?


    I'm not trying to insult anyone, just understand differing perspectives. This is puzzling to me because it seems that, for the most part, new age people are fairly likely to be supportive of individual rights and egalitarian social structures. So what is up with this cognitive disconnect? Is there something I'm not understanding?

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  88. @venusinpieces

    Yes... there is plenty you're not understanding!

    You're telling me you were there to observe the "bloodthirstiness" of theses ancient cultures?

    No, you're telling me you "heard" that these cultures were "bloodthirsty"and you're relaying here as fact and truth. (even if it is NOT fact and truth)

    see my post comment ^UP^!

    and nothing being said has to do with "ancient cultures".

    I said "MAYA END DATE" because that is the phrase/noun we have in the english language that conveys the to the reader of it that I am referencing the date in the modern Western Gregorian Calendar of 12/21/2012.


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  89. and since that date of 12/21/2012 is ENTIRELY based on the astronomical observations of our solar system, in particular, the planet VENUS, I find it to be synchronicity that a persona named "VENUSinpieces" (Venus in Peace SE) should be the first to respond.

    if you're really curious...
    start finding out more by reading this:
    http://emergent-culture.com/the-tzolkin-code-and-the-science-of-synchronicity-a-new-way-to-see-and-experience-the-world-pt-1/

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  90. Strange Eye,
    I was not directing my comment at you in particular, in case it seemed otherwise. My issue is not with the use of astronomy per se, but the glorification of Mayan culture which often goes along with the whole 2012 idea. I could understand if people saw polytheistic nation states as the commodification of earlier decentralized religious cults, and were basing their glorification on that, however, for the most part this is not the case, at least from what I've seen.


    As for my usage of the word bloodthirsty, ritual human sacrifice in Mayan culture is a historically documented fact, not a myth, and similar themes of promoting the well being of the priest class at the expense of the commoners can be seen in most polytheistic cultures, at least those that practiced agriculture. For example, the Babylonian law code dictates that a nursemaid who doesn't raise her child properly will have her breasts chopped off. In Canaan thousands of children were ritually sacrificed to their deity Baal, not to mention the many thousands more who died in the near constant warfare that plague Mesopotamian empires. These are hardly shining examples of utopian communities yet still people persist in resurrecting their deities. I don't have a problem with this necessarily, since my opinion is that the popular interpretation of a religion can overcome its dogmatic past, but it seems a bit hypocritical that so many people who idealize authoritarian pharaohs are simultaneously dogmatically opposed to any mention of the word Jesus. Of course, this pattern doesn't apply to all new agers but it does seem to be fairly common in neopagan circles. Personally, my own personal "religion" is a intergalactic and interdimensional multiverse, but that's besides the point. :-)

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  91. I would like to digress with a BIG thank you to Christopher Knowles, for being an indulgent blog-meister and challenging us all with thought-provoking and exceptionally well-written works!

    Much Love bro.


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  92. @StrangEye---was it you that posted the synchronicity link? It looks really cool, and I have bookmarked it to look at later.

    One aspect that I have always found to be rather strange about the whole new age ethos is the way that many people in that world idealize polytheistic cultures that were, realistically, just as bloodthirsty and dogmatic as any society monotheishm has been associated with. The Mayans are a good case in point, considering that they were a strictly authoritarian society whose priest class regularly practiced ritual human sacrifice. Why exactly are people so eager to model their worldview after them or, for that matter, the Hebrews, who were polygamists that thought women were inferior creations?

    There has been talk about Literalism in Christianity. But I think that literalism has also affected other belief systems too.
    TAKE the Mayans for example-----apparently they knew about magic mushrooms, and YET the priests did bloody sacrifices to plcate 'gods'? When I first heard this it disturbed me because --being experienced with shrooms meself--I couldn't dig how those that were could DO that. But I now see that JUST because people/groups take psychedelics does not mean that they will share MY understanding, which might include pacifism and earth-centredness, and so on. The reasons for this have kept me exploring reasons

    Again it comes to mythology, and the insight into what it means. It is really not meant to be 'factual', but is stories that help guide us in a reality that is in its utmost unfathomable. So our 'reason'--our thinking cannot grasp 'it'. So mythology in its benign form is this exploration, and why it originated as song, dance, poetic and synchronistic associations, and ecstasy.

    But when a *literalness* is imposed is when cometh the trouble. Is when blood gets spilt.

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  93. sorry--regarding my previous post--second paragraph is from another member, and i had meant to quote it. 3rd is mine

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  94. The Nazi party had deep roots in the occult, and grew out of a secret society called Thule. Ernst Rohm- Hitler's sponsor, Introduced him to the guy to whom he dedicated Mein Kampf, both active members in the Thule Gesellschaft. Rahm was very gay and murdered in the Night Of The Long Knives. Even Nero burned his own house down while he fiddled.

    The Thule-Gesellschaft (Thule Society) was founded August 17, 1918, by Rudolf von Sebottendorff. He had been schooled in occultism, Islamic mysticism, alchemy, Rosicrucianism and much else, in Turkey, where he had also been initiated into Freemasonry.

    Its original name was Studiengruppe für germanisches Altertum (Study Group for German Antiquity), but it soon started to disseminate anti-republican and anti-Semitic propaganda.

    A movement to promote Thulian ideas among industrial workers and to offset Marxism, was formed in August 1918 - the Workers' Political Circle with Thulist Karl Harrer as chairman.

    From this came the German Workers' Party in 1919.

    The Thule Society inner circle beliefs ...

    Thule was a legendary island in the far north, similar to Atlantis, supposedly the center of a lost, high-level civilization. But not all secrets of that civilization had been completely wiped out. Those that remained were being guarded by ancient, highly intelligent beings (similar to the "Masters" of Theosophy or the White Brotherhood).
    The truly initiated could establish contact with these beings by means of magic-mystical rituals.

    The Unknown Hitler Wulf Schwartzwaller

    this information also in "Who Financed Hitler"

    One should not underestimate occultism's influence on Hitler. His subsequent rejection of Free Masons and esoteric movements, of Theosophy, of Anthrosophy, does not necessarily mean otherwise. Occult circles have long been known as covers for espionage and influence peddling. Hitler's spy apparatus under Canaris and Heydrich were well aware of these conduits, particularly from the direction of Britain which had within its MI5 intelligence agency a department known as the Occult Bureau. That these potential sources of trouble were purged from Nazi life should not be taken to mean that Hitler and the Nazi secret societies were not influenced by mystical and occult writers such as Madame Blavatsky, Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Guido Von List, Lanz Von Liebenfels, Rudolf Steiner, George Gurdjieff, Karl Haushofer and Theodor Fritsch. Although Hitler later denounced and ridiculed many of them, he did dedicate his book Mein Kampf to his teacher Dietrich Eckart.

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  95. Chris -

    I agree that the violence, the materialism, the greed, the dehumanization, the sexism is part and parcel of the culture (and I'm a big fan of T McKenna's 'culture is your enemy' riff). However I'm not so sure about the 'before this occult stuff showed up' part... I mean there is 'occult stuff' on the surface of, and underlying, most every notable culture throughout 'history'. I'm thinking of the symbols used by religious and political parties from modern to ancient times.. The controversial company kept by most prominent figures, from their astrologers to the so-called 'secret societies' most have belonged to. The symbolism on most forms of currency... The symbolism in most monumental architecture, current and ancient... As far as No one seeming to care about it then? Well that's absolutely my point and issue... We didn't have a globally accessible forum for folks to discuss what was going on behind the proverbial curtain in the past. Now we have the internet... And yes there are a plethora of blogs and (agreeably juvenile and trite) videos 'exposing' the evil illuminati and their nefarious schemes to an arguably small and virtually irrelevant group of people who feel they are in-the-know. It's the other 6 billion plus people who casually consume what their cultures give them as truth and ignorantly pass it on to the future generations as the example of how to be human... that's what's concerning to me. Having said that, I think what I'm actually saying is - I agree with you... And I'd like to echo StrangEye's sentiment as well... I really do appreciate your work here Chris... I read your posts regularly from the sidelines and I enjoy your insights. I tend to not indulge in other reader's comments but I get a little riled up and want to share my opinions when the topic is pop culture and the entertainment industry, as that's the field I work in... I can say from my personal experience that some of the characters in this industry and some of the bizarre scenarios I come across make me really concerned about the agendas put forth. My feeling is that it's less about black magik/sorcery/illuminati hoopla and more about good old fashioned sociopathic behavior... In what way and to what extent these people and their mentality is affected by 'cosmic forces' (like your old friend Sirius) is not yet clear to me...

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  96. Note: if you're going to copy and paste material from other sources, please cite it as such and provide a link. Cheers.

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  97. Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf. Compare that book to the one he did write, and draw your own conclusions.
    It's not so much what the bible tells you, it's what it doesn't tell you that makes it relevant. I'm thinking about the two trees in the garden. One is knowledge and one is life without end. We know who ate the apple. We don't know who ate the fig.

    As for symbols, the Nazis and the Christians each have a cross to bear.

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  98. Saying the Nazis were occultists is like saying 80s metal bands were hippies. Sure there was a common source in the 60s with the acid rock bands et al, but the Nazi Party presented a very clean and violent break from the fuzzy, dreamy racialist occult groups. Megadeth and Slayer were ultimately influenced by hippie acid bands but they were philosophically opposite, just as the Nazis are to the Volkische occultists.

    The Nazis certainly adhered to a mystical worldview, but that's not occultism, just like St John of the Cross or Teresa of Avila were not occultists.

    There's this tendency to loosen things up so everything and anything can be sucked into the conspiratorial vortex, but there are clear lines of demarcation that are important, that are real, that are not trivial. ALL exoteric symbolism has esoteric roots, from Judaism to Christianity to Islam and on and on and on. People appropriate symbols all the time, often without even understanding what they mean.

    Dopey rock bands do it all the time- they'll grab a bunch of symbols and toss them around because they think they look cool. It doesn't mean anything in and of itself which is why rigor and skepticism are absolute musts in approaching this work.

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  99. What inspired me to start researching about the occult in reference to world events was 9/11 and especially 7/7 which was closer to home and shared many of the patterns I had noticed in 9/11.
    Now when I started looking into it nearly all the sites were Christian run sites, and whenever I would try and communicate with them--even though they supposedly welcomed feedback--they ignored my emails

    The other types of mindset talking about the 'occult NWO' were coming from an 'eastern metaphysical' perspective, including David Icke who now--post his Ayahuasca experience he claims he had seems to suggest nature (the "3D world") is an illusion conjured by entities who are not there for human-kinds best interests--well not the 'slaves' (which is most of us) anyhow.

    The only other critic I respect is the one I mentioned right at the begining, Monica Sjoo who looks at all this from a Goddess perspective.

    She is more seeing a shared fear and disrespect for nature given both by patriarchal religious insitutions and so-called New Age groups who *pretend* to care till looked at closer what they say, and write and actions.

    but yeah, most of the pages analyzing claimed occultist symbolism behind 9/11. 7/7 and so on are Christian sites.

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  100. Christopher,

    I would like to interview you for a podcast sometime in the near future. You seem to be very knowledgeable about all things 'occult'. I also listened to your interview on BOA and was extremely impressed with how well spoken you are.

    Please drop me an email if you are willing to have a recorded conversation sometime.

    Thanks,

    John

    email:jratcliffscarab@gmail.com

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  101. @Chris K,

    u might Like,

    O'Donnell makes light of witchcraft comment

    "(AP) LINCOLN, Del. – Republican Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell is making light of comments she made more than a decade ago about having dabbled in witchcraft.

    more at the Yahoo! NEWS headline link above.


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  102. Re: Strangey's comment and for all y'all- the pleasure is mine. The point here is to provide a place for a multiplicity of viewpoints and one of my greatest pleasures is to sit back and watch you guys pick up the ball and run it down the field, even if the play doesn't necessarily adhere to my own game plan.

    Interesting that Venus mentioned human sacrifice, since we were discussing this recently on FB. I argued that rather than abolish ritual sacrifice, the Axial Age religions perfected it. More people have died to glorify someone's god in the past 1000 years than in all of human history before that. The innovation of the Axial Age was to murder your neighbor's children to glorify your god, not your own. And human beings have been glorifying their gods with an unrestrained gusto on that account.

    And Venus is right- there's nothing to go back to as far as belief systems go. I've always believed that. The only way out is forward. There are lots of lessons for us, but every age has to discover its own beliefs appropriate to its situation.

    Strangey- I pretty much spelled out my stance on the Nazi Occult issue, but I do think it will be something to revisit in the future.

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  103. Does that mean you are comparing the Nazi's to dopey rock bands? The Nazi's origins came DIRECTLY out of Thule. Thule believed in Atlantis and the White Brotherhood and all that Blavatsky horseshit, and all that Germanic mythology to boot. (pun) They believed in ceremonial magic, at least in the beginning. They were occultists. Then came the night of the long knives.

    Himmler was a major player. I think you are way off base and protesting too much here. There are many brands of occultism. New age is many things. Just because Hitler was into the occult, doesn't mean new age is evil.

    Just because Jay-Z is selling more than ever doesn't mean he isn't tied into intelligence and social engineering. It's bad music, what else could be the reason?

    I really dig Steiner, but I think he's full of it as well.
    BTW I did provide the source in the comment above-
    Research Thule (and I don't mean the car-top carriers)

    Even some of the ayahuasca shamans use their magic for power games.

    You think Neitzche was a closet christian as well? I doubt it. Either were any of the top Nazi's. Nazi. Nietzche. Just another great writer, that's all.

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  104. "No, there is NO SECRET HANDSHAKE CLUB at the top of the music industry"

    Deadprez - I hope you realise that what you said there is not true.

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  105. Christopher -- sure, the Nazis had it cozy with the Pope.

    But that doesn't mean they weren't also occultists. Look at the insignia. Look at the fanaticism. Look at "The Occult Roots of Nazism" by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke.

    I agree with Cauldron. The people who put these memes out there believe in them, from Hitler to Jay-Z. Take a look at the Great Seal -- it was borne of a specific kind of inspiration and determination, rooted in the values (if not the religion) of Ancient Egypt. It's not just a candy-coated psy-op designed to draw attention to themselves -- these people BELIEVE this stuff.

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  106. The whole idea of "occult roots" is incredibly misleading and sensationalized. I wrote about the occult roots of superheroes in Our Gods Wear Spandex but nearly all comic fans are not only not occultists they're violently opposed to any kind of mysticism at all. Lots of things have strange roots but that says nothing about their present state.

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  107. Strangeeye:

    What does it matter? There are tons of computer programs that will show you the Greek and Hebrew behind any Bible verse you want. I look them up all the time.

    Dennis:

    Christianity is coming into these topics, Im just presenting what I think of it all.

    StrangeEye,

    I agree one of the main tenets is to love your neighbor, in Christianity, this is why on my blog I talked about the endless calls to call down fire on Muslims in the evangelical world that is not of God. See the entry ABOUT THE CHURCH THAT WANTS TO BURN THE KORAN.

    One does not need to be fluent in multiple languages to be a Christian.

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  108. Adding more here...

    Thank you venus, regarding your comment for me calling out the abuse. I dont trust Malachi Martin because he was a Jesuit, but even he exposed that the sex abuse of teens and children in the RCC was related to satanic covens with the RCC. Believe he is quite accurate there. Sinead O'Connor lost her career calling out the truth about the Pope. She was RIGHT in 1992 about something revealed in 2002.

    There are sincere people of conscience who do have a heart for those who are oppressed. Sadly many of the wicked exploit, this is why you saw all this money collected for Haiti, and months later, I read an article that only 2% of the debris is gone. Where did all the money go? All the end poverty campaigns of the UN is about putting money in the coffers of some, but the poor will never see it.

    Muz I used to read Joseph Campbell sa a UU, so familiar with all the other myths and forget her name, begins with A, that talked about all the saviors of other pagan religions...so been down that road and the astrotheologists who deny Christianity as well. I don't have room here to explore all the differences. Any Biblically trained person can list the many differences between Horus [Osiris's son] and the true Jesus Christ, as many try to commingle the two. This person does some of the work here, I dont agree with this ministry on everything, but you can see some of the listed differences.
    http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

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  109. Christopher -- Do you or do you not believe that the Nazis -- or some Nazis -- were occultists?

    What was the purpose of all the ancient esoteric symbols? Just a fashion fad to mislead and hypnotize the masses?

    Was National Socialism peddled as a kind of religion to a fanatical base? Or was it just a con on the working man? Was it both? If it was both, what about the former? Did a few people at the top believe the hype, or were they all just cynics?

    Have you read Goodrick-Clarke's book? It's as dry a piece of academic prose as you're likely to find. Is the whole thing extrapolated from a few stray facts? Is it made up from whole cloth?

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  110. If you read the several comments I posted in this thread you'll see I already addressed the issues raised by your questions.

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  111. OK, I did the due diligence and read the whole thread. Your points are well taken. I know I'm typing into a dead thread but that's OK, maybe I'm just repeating what everyone else says anyway.

    My point-of-view is that all this slamming people's psyches with talismanic symbols and inverted mythology, in tandem with brutal, sexist, humanity-diminishing images, is part of a concerted and coordinated effort to "steal energy" from the masses and draw that energy back to the "creative destroyers."

    Now, some folks think all this garbage "entertainment" simply reflects the low consciousness of the producers, appealing to the even lower consciousness of the masses, in a simple effort to grab the cash and run. That's the conclusion that I drew from your post of 9/17/10.

    Others think that the producers are making a conscious effort with profitability as an essential motive, but that there is a more complex agenda at work, the purpose of which is to break the human spirit. I would put myself in this camp.

    Either way, isn't it a form of spiritual warfare? "Lack of consciousness is no excuse" when it comes to spiritual matters.

    In any case, one critical purpose of certain occult rituals (as I understand it) is to deprive the target of power and to draw that power to oneself and ones allies. What is the difference between this and the result of these "entertainments?"

    Whether you think that Jay Z (for example) is just goofing on us to distract us "conspiracy nuts," or whether you think that he's a sun-worshipping Nazi freak, the result of his work on the unconscious mind (children? childish adults?) is the same -- the steady erosion of real human values -- and at the end of the day, this is what matters, not only to us, but also to Jay Z.

    I believe the Nazis used every weapon at their disposal, including esoteric knowledge and occult ritual, to break the human spirit of their targets and draw that power back to themselves. These tools were merely additional weapons to them, but they did believe this knowledge had power. To dismiss this out-of-hand because you're concerned about academic rigor is admirable, but it could lead you to present an incomplete picture of the truth.

    It ain't just about the money for these guys. It's about the power. Esoteric knowledge of any variety (occultism, mass psychology, cognitive dissonance, inversion, "double-bind," and all the other games in "entertainment") is power -- power over people who don't know what they're looking at when they're seeing it. That's why it's so important for me to increase my understanding of what's being presented to me, on all levels -- hence the reason I read your blog. All too frequently, the material is designed to defeat the human spirit, and what is the difference between that and Satanism?

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  112. My point-of-view is that all this slamming people's psyches with talismanic symbols and inverted mythology, in tandem with brutal, sexist, humanity-diminishing images, is part of a concerted and coordinated effort to "steal energy" from the masses and draw that energy back to the "creative destroyers."

    That's been done by governments for thousands of years. If you look at the imagery from the 30s and 40s, the US, USSR and Germany all used the same kinds of symbolism and iconography- the posters are all very similar. The USSR was using the goosestepping marches and missiles and the rest of it up through the 1980s. The signals and triggers are the same- it's just that we rewrote it all in retrospect, leading to these kinds of exaggerations.

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  113. So I guess you admit that the Nazi's have very strong occult roots, just that these roots are " incredibly misleading and sensationalized". How can you not sensationalize an occultism that is essentially demonic, or evil or violent? The subject itself is essentially sensationalistic. If anything it has been de-emphasized! No one knows about it! Maybe about one-millionth of the people that can name all four stars of Sex and The City, or when Lil' Wayne gets out of jail. Nobody knows what the freemasons are about and they live right next door to the temple lodge!!!

    You seem very intent on getting away from "conspiracy" and into "synchronicity" or "culture". I suggest you delve into the intelligence links to the New Age. Start with John Dee, and don't forget Egdar Cayce. You've already glossed over Puharich's CIA links. Check SRI and acid, which you never mention. Check out the intel links to "A Course In Miracles" . I shudder to think where Eckart Tolle really came from.

    Intelligence is about control, exactly what religion is about. They are two sides of the same coin. They are the biggest part of "culture". They FORM culture since the get-go. Saying the Nazi's weren't occultists is like saying they had no religion. They did, and of course it was partly catholic- the catholics grabbed a little bit of everything! They are lso "Occult". Magic. Conspiracy.

    Some for liberation. Some for Kontrol. Just like the freemies and all the rest of them. They have to appeal to a large base, or the shit won't sell.

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  114. Cauldron, you have me at a disadvantage. Can you tell us your real name and what your interest in all of this is?

    Are you someone who reads ConspIrAcy literature that always privileges the religious establishment and tarnishes everyone who challenges their hegemony? Because that's all I'm seeing here.

    Stand up and be counted! Tell us who you are and what you stand for! You can attack other people all day but what do you have to offer? What positive contribution do you have to make?

    And I guess I'll have to keep saying this over and over- this series isn't about the New Age- meaning it's not a defense of it. Of course there's been infiltration- that's what this article is partly about.

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  115. Have been following this Secret War series with interest. Good set of posts. Just wanted to include the following quote partly concerning a side issue that manifested in the comments section, regarding defining terms when it comes to that contentious and nebulous thing known as the occult. I feel that it may also address certain core elements in this series. In fact, the entire book pretty much does in many ways. It comes from a text, mentioned earlier in the comments, by the historian James Webb, called The Occult Underground. Finished it just the other day, a superb work.

    'The occult is rejected knowledge. It may be knowledge that is actively rejected by an Establishment culture, or knowledge which voluntarily exiles itself from the courts of favor because of its recognized incompatibility with the prevailing wisdom. The word "occult" means "hidden," and in this idea lies the key to the occult's forbidding appearance. Something may be hidden because of its immense value, or reverently concealed from the prying eyes of the profane. But this hidden thing may also have achieved its sequestered position because the Powers That Be have found it wanting. Either it is a threat and must be buried, or simply useless, and so forgotten. Thus, if a newcomer to the vast quantity of occult literature begins browsing at random, puzzlement and impatience will soon be his lot; for he will find jumbled together the droppings of all cultures, and occasional fragments of philosophy perhaps profound but almost certainly subversive to right living in the society in which he finds himself.

    The occult is rejected knowledge: that is, an Underground whose basic unity is that of Opposition to an Establishment of Powers that Are. It is the extraordinary quality of European history to have produced an Estabishment position that has held consistent over a long period, and yet allowed a constant replenishing of the forces of subversion. From the end of the 4th century A.D., the Christian religion became the official religion of both Eastern and Western empires, and its rapid conquest of Europe imposed an order of society and an ordered way of thought which were inseperable. It is only in the past four centuries that this Establishment has gradually been worn away - not, it must hastily be admitted, by the opposition of the occult, which remains largely rejected, but by the triumph of forces originating within that Establishment itself. In opposition to this Establishment, it would be unnatural not to find some similarity among occult theories. But there is often a little more to explain the common ground of occultists than the unity of opposition. This stems from their adherence to a world-view which has, through historical accident, remained rejected throughout the known history of Western Europe. It is this world-view - diverse in its manifestations, yet united in some few basic assumptions - that is known as the Tradition, the Secret Doctrine, the Ancient Wsdom, and by a dozen other names. No two interpretations of this Secret Tradition are ever the same, because the number of theories which have accrued throughout the centuries of opposition underground. But it is nevertheless possible to hunt it to its origins; and by following the trail left by the heroes of the occultists, to determine roughly what has been the progress of this Tradition, and discover something of its nature.'


    pp.191 - 193.

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  116. Cont.
    The occult is rejected knowledge: that is, an Underground whose basic unity is that of Opposition to an Establishment of Powers that Are. It is the extraordinary quality of European history to have produced an Estabishment position that has held consistent over a long period, and yet allowed a constant replenishing of the forces of subversion. From the end of the 4th century A.D., the Christian religion became the official religion of both Eastern and Western empires, and its rapid conquest of Europe imposed an order of society and an ordered way of thought which were inseperable. It is only in the past four centuries that this Establishment has gradually been worn away - not, it must hastily be admitted, by the opposition of the occult, which remains largely rejected, but by the triumph of forces originating within that Establishment itself. In opposition to this Establishment, it would be unnatural not to find some similarity among occult theories. But there is often a little more to explain the common ground of occultists than the unity of opposition. This stems from their adherence to a world-view which has, through historical accident, remained rejected throughout the known history of Western Europe. It is this world-view - diverse in its manifestations, yet united in some few basic assumptions - that is known as the Tradition, the Secret Doctrine, the Ancient Wsdom, and by a dozen other names. No two interpretations of this Secret Tradition are ever the same, because the number of theories which have accrued throughout the centuries of opposition underground. But it is nevertheless possible to hunt it to its origins; and by following the trail left by the heroes of the occultists, to determine roughly what has been the progress of this Tradition, and discover something of its nature.'

    pp.191 - 193.

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  117. who watched the Oscars?

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